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  • 1.  Tom Johnson interviews Carlos Evia; lots of DITA discussion

    Posted 07-24-2018 13:31
    http://idratherbewriting.com/2018/07/23/adventures-of-techie-academic-conversation-with-carlos-evia/ And the questions hint at interesting perceptions about DITA, OASIS, standards, and more. Do check out Carlos's excellent answers ... TJ: I think it s great that you re on an OASIS committee. To be honest, I don t know much about OASIS. I have in mind about 8-9 people sitting around a table giving a thumbs up or down, kind of like an aristocracy or some other elite ruling class. How does a committee like OASIS arrive at a standard? Are there standards that these standards committees follow in order to arrive at a declaration about the way something should be? ... TJ: The LwDITA spec is developed very differently from the grassroots model that other Markdown formats follow (e.g., the original Gruber Markdown, GitHub-flavored Markdown, kramdown Markdown, MultiMarkdown, CommonMark, and more). Do you think the top-down model (decision by committee) has as much momentum as the bottom-up model (grassroots promotion) has for adoption? Are there other standards that have originated from OASIS in a top-down way that have taken off? ... TJ: A lot of people point the blame on tool vendors for the stagnancy of DITA. I ve heard people say that DITA didn t live up to its hype in part because the tools around DITA didn t deliver. Are you depending on tool vendors to deliver on integration and transformation of LwDITA? Will they let us down again? ... TJ: I find that people are polarized around DITA, either drinking its koolaid or spitting it out like poison? In your interactions with others around DITA, do you encounter a lot of similar polarized attitudes? I try not to present myself as anti-DITA, but it seems like you re either for it or against it in the minds of many people. Why is DITA so polarizing? Can t we refer to it with the same nonchalance as a tool like Flare? ... -- Best, Kris Kristen James Eberlein Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting www.eberleinconsulting.com +1 919 622-1501; kriseberlein (skype)


  • 2.  Fwd: [dita] Tom Johnson interviews Carlos Evia; lots of DITA discussion

    Posted 07-26-2018 13:33
    Just FYI - what you might be interested in skimming are the comments about how people tend to judge standards (e.g. DITA) by the tools that implement them (e.g. oXygen), the question about why we don't know how many people are implementing our standards, and in particular Carlos's explanation of how OASIS works (Tom: " I don t know much about OASIS. I have in mind about 8-9 people sitting around a table giving a thumbs up or down, kind of like an aristocracy or some other elite ruling class." Carlos: "Oh no not at all. I promise there is nothing aristocratic or elitist about OASIS. Quite the contrary. Instead of an elite ruling class, OASIS runs on principles of transparent governance and operating procedures." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kristen James Eberlein < kris@eberleinconsulting.com > Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:31 AM Subject: [dita] Tom Johnson interviews Carlos Evia; lots of DITA discussion To: DITA TC < dita@lists.oasis-open.org > http://idratherbewriting.com/ 2018/07/23/adventures-of- techie-academic-conversation- with-carlos-evia/ And the questions hint at "interesting" perceptions about DITA, OASIS, standards, and more. Do check out Carlos's excellent answers ... TJ: I think it s great that you re on an OASIS committee. To be honest, I don t know much about OASIS. I have in mind about 8-9 people sitting around a table giving a thumbs up or down, kind of like an aristocracy or some other elite ruling class. How does a committee like OASIS arrive at a standard? Are there standards that these standards committees follow in order to arrive at a declaration about the way something should be? ... TJ: The LwDITA spec is developed very differently from the grassroots model that other Markdown formats follow (e.g., the original Gruber Markdown, GitHub-flavored Markdown, kramdown Markdown, MultiMarkdown, CommonMark, and more). Do you think the top-down model (decision by committee) has as much momentum as the bottom-up model (grassroots promotion) has for adoption? Are there other standards that have originated from OASIS in a top-down way that have taken off? ... TJ: A lot of people point the blame on tool vendors for the stagnancy of DITA. I ve heard people say that DITA didn t live up to its hype in part because the tools around DITA didn t deliver. Are you depending on tool vendors to deliver on integration and transformation of LwDITA? Will they let us down again? ... TJ: I find that people are polarized around DITA, either drinking its koolaid or spitting it out like poison? In your interactions with others around DITA, do you encounter a lot of similar polarized attitudes? I try not to present myself as anti-DITA, but it seems like you re either for it or against it in the minds of many people. Why is DITA so polarizing? Can t we refer to it with the same nonchalance as a tool like Flare? ... -- Best, Kris Kristen James Eberlein Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting www.eberleinconsulting.com +1 919 622-1501; kriseberlein (skype) ------------------------------ ------------------------------ --------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/ apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_ workgroups.php -- /chet ---------------- Looking forward to Borderless Cyber 2018 , 3-5 Oct , Washington, D.C. Organized by The World Bank, OASIS, and Georgetown University Chet Ensign Chief Technical Community Steward OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society http://www.oasis-open.org Primary: +1 973-996-2298 Mobile: +1 201-341-1393


  • 3.  Fwd: [dita] Tom Johnson interviews Carlos Evia; lots of DITA discussion

    Posted 07-26-2018 13:33
    Just FYI - what you might be interested in skimming are the comments about how people tend to judge standards (e.g. DITA) by the tools that implement them (e.g. oXygen), the question about why we don't know how many people are implementing our standards, and in particular Carlos's explanation of how OASIS works (Tom: " I don t know much about OASIS. I have in mind about 8-9 people sitting around a table giving a thumbs up or down, kind of like an aristocracy or some other elite ruling class." Carlos: "Oh no not at all. I promise there is nothing aristocratic or elitist about OASIS. Quite the contrary. Instead of an elite ruling class, OASIS runs on principles of transparent governance and operating procedures." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kristen James Eberlein < kris@eberleinconsulting.com > Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:31 AM Subject: [dita] Tom Johnson interviews Carlos Evia; lots of DITA discussion To: DITA TC < dita@lists.oasis-open.org > http://idratherbewriting.com/ 2018/07/23/adventures-of- techie-academic-conversation- with-carlos-evia/ And the questions hint at "interesting" perceptions about DITA, OASIS, standards, and more. Do check out Carlos's excellent answers ... TJ: I think it s great that you re on an OASIS committee. To be honest, I don t know much about OASIS. I have in mind about 8-9 people sitting around a table giving a thumbs up or down, kind of like an aristocracy or some other elite ruling class. How does a committee like OASIS arrive at a standard? Are there standards that these standards committees follow in order to arrive at a declaration about the way something should be? ... TJ: The LwDITA spec is developed very differently from the grassroots model that other Markdown formats follow (e.g., the original Gruber Markdown, GitHub-flavored Markdown, kramdown Markdown, MultiMarkdown, CommonMark, and more). Do you think the top-down model (decision by committee) has as much momentum as the bottom-up model (grassroots promotion) has for adoption? Are there other standards that have originated from OASIS in a top-down way that have taken off? ... TJ: A lot of people point the blame on tool vendors for the stagnancy of DITA. I ve heard people say that DITA didn t live up to its hype in part because the tools around DITA didn t deliver. Are you depending on tool vendors to deliver on integration and transformation of LwDITA? Will they let us down again? ... TJ: I find that people are polarized around DITA, either drinking its koolaid or spitting it out like poison? In your interactions with others around DITA, do you encounter a lot of similar polarized attitudes? I try not to present myself as anti-DITA, but it seems like you re either for it or against it in the minds of many people. Why is DITA so polarizing? Can t we refer to it with the same nonchalance as a tool like Flare? ... -- Best, Kris Kristen James Eberlein Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting www.eberleinconsulting.com +1 919 622-1501; kriseberlein (skype) ------------------------------ ------------------------------ --------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/ apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_ workgroups.php -- /chet ---------------- Looking forward to Borderless Cyber 2018 , 3-5 Oct , Washington, D.C. Organized by The World Bank, OASIS, and Georgetown University Chet Ensign Chief Technical Community Steward OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society http://www.oasis-open.org Primary: +1 973-996-2298 Mobile: +1 201-341-1393