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Subject: RE: [emergency] OJP requirement to use the jxdm
That is clear. Thank you, Paul.
We work in a world of overlapping specifications, thus
mixed requirements. Wherever a specification is cited
as a procurement item, the Record of Authority to govern
that procurement must be cited in the contract (likely
by URI and a versioning mechanism).
If such citation incurs confused requirements,
the procuring authority must govern the resolution and
amend the ROA.
Given the depth of our XML specifications and the likelihood
of overlaps, that can be a hard job. I note the W3C is working
the versioning problems for XML and others are working versioning
problems for ontologies.
Len Bullard
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Embley [mailto:pembley@mstar.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:51 PM
To: Bullard, Claude L (Len); 'Poindexter, Gary';
emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [emergency] OJP requirement to use the jxdm
As far as grant specific guidelines, since I don't work directly for OJP I
don't feel qualified to answer.
That said, here is my opinion (which only matters to my dog). Re: someone
implementing CAP without OJP funding, there isn't any compliance with JXDM
to discuss. If someone implements a system with CAP and JXDM, compliance is
optional for those doing the implementation, unless funding is coming from
OJP, then the implementation is governed by the grant guidelines unless
specific exemptions are granted. Not sure I answered the question, but
hopefully this is clear.
I believe most of the public safety companies, especially those involved in
the Integrated Justice Working Group (iwg.ijis.org) have determined it is
easier to build their systems to be fully compliant than to do one compliant
and another not.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) [mailto:len.bullard@intergraph.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 11:09 AM
To: 'Paul Embley'; 'Poindexter, Gary'; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [emergency] OJP requirement to use the jxdm
So:
Grant money requires JXDM compliance and CAP is not JXDM
so compliance with JXDM is not required when implementing CAP?
Public safety companies want to know. The lack of objections
does not close the requirement for compliant deliverables.
Of the documents posted, which are the Records of Authority
governing the procurement transactions?
Len Bullard
Integraph Public Safety
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Embley [mailto:pembley@mstar.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:03 AM
To: 'Poindexter, Gary'; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [emergency] OJP requirement to use the jxdm
Hey Gary (et al),
Allen is correct about the fact that the CAP effort is not funded by OJP.
Some/many (can't recall off the top of my head how many) of the efforts
utilizing CAP receive some amount of OJP funding, and I've not heard of any
who have objected to the grant language. I know for most of those grants
the language was the old "OJP *may* require compliance" vs. the newer
language which I believe is less vague.
Both Ken Gill (OJP) and I have been discussing that we need to do a better
job of reaching out to the CAP community. Your e-mail gives us reason to do
more than talk about it, so appreciate you monitoring and reaching out to
the CAP community.
Also wanted to note that Art's message is correct as well. We started from
the same base, then didn't remain as active in each other's efforts as maybe
we should have. Nothing that can't be resolved with better communication.
Thanks again!
Paul Embley
Global XML Structured Task Force Chair
-----Original Message-----
From: Poindexter, Gary [mailto:gary.poindexter@bearingpoint.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:34 AM
To: emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [emergency] OJP requirement to use the jxdm
I believe you've missed the point. They have defined compliance in the
context of how a schema is constructed and stated that this someone will
promote interoperability. They then require "compliance" for all OJP funded
projects that use XML. In effect, if you don't follow their guidelines for
constructing a schema based upon the jxdm, you are not compliant.
gary
-----Original Message-----
From: R. Allen Wyke [mailto:emergency-tc@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:58 AM
To: Poindexter, Gary
Cc: emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [emergency] OJP requirement to use the jxdm
There may have been CAP implementations funded by various groups, but
the efforts of this Technical Committee at OASIS is funded by no one
other than the members dedicating their time and any resources they so
do choose. In short, we are an open standards committee that is not
directed by any other group.
Good question though - Allen
On Jul 27, 2004, at 12:29 AM, Poindexter, Gary wrote:
>
> Please excuse my potential ignorance, I watch this TC with interest
> but participate sparingly.
>
> A couple assumptions:
>
> 1) EM projects are sometimes funded by the OJP.
>
> 2) The CAP 1.0 proposal is not in any way consistent with the Justice
> XML Data Dictionary model (jxdm). I believe this was discussed at some
> point in the past and efficiency was chosen as a higher priority than
> the sometimes massive and inefficient schemas developed using the
> jxdm.
>
> If these assumptions are true, members of this TC need to review and
> comment (to OJP) on the contents of the page at
> http://it.ojp.gov/topic.jsp?topic_id=138 and most importantly the
> statement at the bottom of the page which reads:
>
> "All recipients of Office of Justice Programs (OJP) grants for
> projects implementing XML technology are required to use the Global
> Justice XML Data Model and publish all XML schemas resulting from use
> of the Model in the Justice Standards Clearinghouse (JSC) located at
> http://www.it.ojp.gov/jsc. This requirement is stipulated as a Special
> Condition to their grant that is referred to as a Common Exchange
> Standard."
>
> If my assumptions are correct, the impact of this requirement could be
> great and negative.
>
> gary poindexter
>
>
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