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RE: [emergency] CAP and Signatures/Encryption

  • 1.  RE: [emergency] CAP and Signatures/Encryption

    Posted 01-28-2005 20:31
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    Subject: RE: [emergency] CAP and Signatures/Encryption


    I agree completely.  We work with locals every day.  That is 
    99.9999 per cent of the public safety business.  Agencies 
    vary within themselves, states vary by agency and so on. Some 
    things result:
    
    1.  The cost of a public safety system is much higher than 
    it should be.
    
    2.  Snake oil systems sell cheaper and then they get to spend 
    the money again.
    
    3.  RFPs are growing more complex and more expensive to bid 
    every year (about three times as dense as the first ones I 
    processed nine years ago).
    
    4.  Interoperability is based almost entirely on loosely 
    coupled exchange of files dumped into common directories.
    
    5.  The file types are largely system dependent with some 
    local customization possible through adding non-semantic 
    fields to the data schemas (ie, you can name it but you 
    can't check a cooccurrence constraint).
    
    We'd like to sell to the smaller agencies.  Really.  Who 
    can afford to as long as the RFPs they issue are the precise 
    same RFPs the big agencies issue because the consultants 
    see to that with their lazy boilerplated RFPs or trendy 
    but too early in the cycle requirements?
    
    I really do understand that problem, Paul, and as a standards 
    vet, I know standards don't fix the problems, but complex 
    standards that enter the procurement cycles are the worst 
    of all and do the economics substantial damage.  It scares 
    the hell out of me that for UBL, the naming standard alone 
    is 112 pages long.  Interlocking liaisons will amplify that 
    bigger than Mick Jagger's PA system.
    
    So once again:  if the system is to be part of the NIMS/NPS 
    doctrines, protocols and structures, pare *That Part* down to the 
    absolute basics because that is all we have a hope of getting 
    to run at that scale in that timeframe.  Make sure what shows 
    up in the RFPs for those requirements are implementable because 
    the public safety industry, not the consultants and not the 
    local agencies, are the implementors.
    
    Also again:  this particular working group is actually a good 
    exemplar of that approach so far.
    
    len
    
    
    From: Paul Embley [mailto:pembley@mstar.net]
    Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:34 PM
    
    Let's just say that at one time I shared your perspective until I started
    working with locals.  I don't share that perspective any longer.  Their
    reality is very different.  I know many are putting GJXDM in their RFPs, but
    most have no clue what that means, how to measure if a vendor meets the
    criteria and so on.  I believe we will encounter the same with CAP, EDXL,
    etc.  I've found some success in working with vendors who in turn educate
    their users, but this typically will permeate only to your large and most
    medium size agencies/departments.  The smaller ones who make up the bulk of
    emergency response have a tough time hearing about these things,
    understanding them, measuring compliance, implementing, etc.
    
    Just trying to point out there is a lot more to be done than coming up with
    a good standard.
    


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