OASIS Emergency Management TC

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  • 1.  Re: FW: X.CAP and OASIS preferences

    Posted 04-19-2007 22:16
       Lysa, I am concerned that we may not be able to give official 
    consent to this *unreviewed* proposal this fast.  Management of the 
    submission is in the consortium management's hands, not just the TC, 
    in order to assure that we follow our rules, and maintain OASIS' 
    interests in its collaborations with other SDOs.
       Whatever the proposal's merit, there's a general need to maintain 
      parallel uniformity across organizations.  OASIS submissions to 
    ISO and ITU invariably have included the following conditions, so 
    that cross-compatibility is not broken:
       1.  Adopted OASIS Standards are submitted for approval "as is", 
    that is, to be voted up or down without change.
       2.  Comments and proposals for change from the approving 
    organization and most welcome, but must be brought back to the 
    originating OASIS for discussion.
       3.  Participating OASIS TCs commit to review, consider and 
    resolve the proposals for change.
       4.  Any mutually agreed changes must be re-approved as errata or 
    OASIS Standards (generally) before resubmission to the approving 
    organization.
       5.  Generally there is an arranged method for resolving any 
    proposed variances.
    
       While the new proposed schema from ITU may be informally 
    acceptable to the TC, at first glance, step 4 above normally would 
    require that the TC official approve additions or changes either as 
    official errata (requiring 15 day public review, under section 3.5 
    of the TC Process), a Committee Specification (requiring 60 day 
    public review etc) or an OASIS Standard.  That would assure, among 
    other things, that the TC and its broader user constituencies had 
    some minimal opportunity to *review* the proposed AS1 representation.
    
       If we do otherwise, and welcome sudden changes to our submissions 
    outside of our arranged process, it both bends our own rules, and 
    encourages our collaborating organizations to fork the standards we 
    submit.
       Adopting a "second alternative" side-by-side standard from ITU, 
    as they've most recently suggested, probably is a good faith attempt 
    to handle the same material in a more harmless manner. However, it 
    still fundamentally acts like a forking of the work.  I can imagine 
    many other "supplements" proposed at the last minute that might 
    detract significantly from the OASIS work ... and as I understand 
    that TC has not really even reviewed this one.  Also, significantly, 
    I do not know if the AS1 submission is *available* to OASIS to be 
    contributed to *us* on the TC's applicable terms.  That would be an 
    essential element to any future coordination.
       Abbie, do you really think it would be safe to do otherwise?  If 
    there is a second, shadow standard, described as related to CAP by 
    ITU, but not by OASIS (whatever its merit), would this not confuse 
    users?
    
       Like Art, who wrote to the TC list several days ago about this, I 
    am pleased that the ITU community wants to donate AS1 "code" to the 
    project.  We encourage the TC to let ITU know that it welcomes this 
    development.  But this proposal should be handled within the context 
    of he review and approval steps we use to ensure transparency and 
    quality assurance.
       It's my current feeling that we should communicate with SG17, and 
    our representatives there, and ask that they not enact an unreviewed 
    document that is stated to be related to our submission until our TC 
    has a chance properly to process it.  However, I understand that we 
    want to cooperative as best as possible with ITU and its submitters, 
    and would appreciate your feedback on these views.
    
       Kind regards  JBC
    
    ~ James Bryce Clark
    ~ Director of Standards Development, OASIS
    ~ jamie.clark@oasis-open.org
    


  • 2.  Re: [emergency] Re: FW: X.CAP and OASIS preferences

    Posted 04-20-2007 00:04
    Abbie, Could you please post exactly what is being considered for the 
    TC to review as a committee?  Thanks, Elysa
    
    At 05:15 PM 4/19/2007, James Bryce Clark wrote:
    
    >   Lysa, I am concerned that we may not be able to give official 
    > consent to this *unreviewed* proposal this fast.  Management of the 
    > submission is in the consortium management's hands, not just the 
    > TC, in order to assure that we follow our rules, and maintain 
    > OASIS' interests in its collaborations with other SDOs.
    >   Whatever the proposal's merit, there's a general need to 
    > maintain  parallel uniformity across organizations.  OASIS 
    > submissions to ISO and ITU invariably have included the following 
    > conditions, so that cross-compatibility is not broken:
    >   1.  Adopted OASIS Standards are submitted for approval "as is", 
    > that is, to be voted up or down without change.
    >   2.  Comments and proposals for change from the approving 
    > organization and most welcome, but must be brought back to the 
    > originating OASIS for discussion.
    >   3.  Participating OASIS TCs commit to review, consider and 
    > resolve the proposals for change.
    >   4.  Any mutually agreed changes must be re-approved as errata or 
    > OASIS Standards (generally) before resubmission to the approving organization.
    >   5.  Generally there is an arranged method for resolving any 
    > proposed variances.
    >
    >   While the new proposed schema from ITU may be informally 
    > acceptable to the TC, at first glance, step 4 above normally would 
    > require that the TC official approve additions or changes either as 
    > official errata (requiring 15 day public review, under section 3.5 
    > of the TC Process), a Committee Specification (requiring 60 day 
    > public review etc) or an OASIS Standard.  That would assure, among 
    > other things, that the TC and its broader user constituencies had 
    > some minimal opportunity to *review* the proposed AS1 representation.
    >
    >   If we do otherwise, and welcome sudden changes to our submissions 
    > outside of our arranged process, it both bends our own rules, and 
    > encourages our collaborating organizations to fork the standards we submit.
    >   Adopting a "second alternative" side-by-side standard from ITU, 
    > as they've most recently suggested, probably is a good faith 
    > attempt to handle the same material in a more harmless manner. 
    > However, it still fundamentally acts like a forking of the work.  I 
    > can imagine many other "supplements" proposed at the last minute 
    > that might detract significantly from the OASIS work ... and as I 
    > understand that TC has not really even reviewed this one.  Also, 
    > significantly, I do not know if the AS1 submission is *available* 
    > to OASIS to be contributed to *us* on the TC's applicable 
    > terms.  That would be an essential element to any future coordination.
    >   Abbie, do you really think it would be safe to do otherwise?  If 
    > there is a second, shadow standard, described as related to CAP by 
    > ITU, but not by OASIS (whatever its merit), would this not confuse users?
    >
    >   Like Art, who wrote to the TC list several days ago about this, I 
    > am pleased that the ITU community wants to donate AS1 "code" to the 
    > project.  We encourage the TC to let ITU know that it welcomes this 
    > development.  But this proposal should be handled within the 
    > context of he review and approval steps we use to ensure 
    > transparency and quality assurance.
    >   It's my current feeling that we should communicate with SG17, and 
    > our representatives there, and ask that they not enact an 
    > unreviewed document that is stated to be related to our submission 
    > until our TC has a chance properly to process it.  However, I 
    > understand that we want to cooperative as best as possible with ITU 
    > and its submitters, and would appreciate your feedback on these views.
    >
    >   Kind regards  JBC
    >
    >~ James Bryce Clark
    >~ Director of Standards Development, OASIS
    >~ jamie.clark@oasis-open.org
    >