I agree with John! Although this is a
difficult problem, this has been on the table since before Court filing blue.
From: John M. Greacen
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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 2:47
PM
To: 'Clarke, Thomas';
scott@justiceintegration.com; 'Electronic Court Filing Technical Committeee'
Subject: RE:
[legalxml-courtfiling] Case Initiation Elements
Tom and Scott – This is all news to
me. I have been under the impression, from the earliest days of the TC, that
our XML specifications have to include the information needed by courts to
initiate new cases, in all case types. That is information that needs to come
in XML so that it is available directly to the court (or the Filing Review MDE)
for creation of the case opening information for filing of complaints,
petitions, informations, and indictments that create new cases. If the data is
not there, the court cannot file these documents. Going down into another
layer of the message structure to find this information – where according
to Scott it would not necessarily be in XML at all – seems to me to
create problems for implementers.
I read the Court Filing Blue requirements
document to be consistent with my prior understanding that this information is
included within the Blue specification and schema. I guess this shows that
there are problems with the requirements documents if we three can read it and
come to such different expectations about this important part of the efiling
process. When we discussed the issue in – when I took on responsibility for
collecting this information – no one suggested that it was out of scope
for Blue. When I collected the data from multiple sources, several of whom are
TC members (including Dallas, Robin, Roger, and Jim Harris), no one suggested
that it was outside the scope of Blue.
I am open to discussion of this issue, and
am willing to consider alternative approaches. But the matter requires
discussion on the list.
Dallas, Shane, Don, Jim Beard, Shogan
Naidoo, Robert DePhillips and other implementers – do we need to include
this information in Court Filing Blue or can we create a structure that posits
its appearance in some part of the Court Filing Blue message that is not
defined in Blue?
I will make sure that this issue is on the
face to
face agenda. But I would appreciate some discussion on the list prior to the
meeting.
I was under the same impression as Scott.
Typically, the minimum case initiation and document indexing elements are
restricted to somewhere around 10 to 15 data elements. The rest go into
the appropriate IEP. At least that is the strategy assumed by Global and
the GJXDM folks.