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    Hi 
Kama
    

     
    

    Do I 
understand you correctly when that ebXML supports a solution where the 
xml-document and the signature are in the same envelope, but in different 
payloads?
    

     
    

    What I 
suggest is that the xml-document becomes able to refer to the signature, not 
only as a URL but also as a Mime reference. 
    

     
    

    The 
problem with embeddign the siganture in the xml-document is 
    

    1) it 
becomes invalid if it is transformed to an other document. 
    

    2) A 
digital signature on a xml document is not valid in legal terms. Only a 
transformation of a xml-document can be brought into a court 
room.
    

    3) A 
digital signature with the purpose of ensuring that no one has tampered with the 
document has nothing to do in a procurement document. This is a matter for the 
transportation layer.
    

     
    

    What 
is needed at the business level is infomation about whether someone actual has 
aproved the document. On the other hand, to reference the signature gives you 
problem with consistency and persistency. This can be solved by adding two more 
fields in document reference: GaranteeStoragePeriode and Hashcode (perhaps 
hashmethod as well).
    

     
    

    I 
would like to here more about your requirements.
    

     
    

    Kind 
regards
    

     
    

    Peter 
L. Borresen
    

    
  
    -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
    Fra: Kama, Kamarudin Bin 
  Tambi [mailto:kama@crimsonlogic.com]
    Sendt: 29. september 2005 
  09:02
    Til: ubl-tsc@lists.oasis-open.org; 
  ubl-psc@lists.oasis-open.org; Peter Larsen Borresen
    Cc: Grace Ng, 
  Swee Lee (T&L); Jern Kuan, Leong; Fu Wang, Thio
    Emne: RE: 
  [ubl-tsc] [Fwd: [ubl-psc] Proposal for a signature 
  refenrence]

    
  
    
  
    Hi Peter, 
  Tim,
    
  
    Sorry for the late 
  response. We have reviewed the proposal for signature reference. Below is our 
  comment:-
    
  
     
    
  
      
    
    1. The signature 
    reference calls for the usage of detached signature. This would be useful in 
    scenario where binary data is involved and where the referenced signature is 
    always available and accessible via the specified URL 
    
    2. Both ebXML 
    messaging service and COML however uses the enveloped approach, wherein the 
    digital signature (digsig) is embedded inside the message itself. In the 
    case of COML, XPath is being used to reference the appropriate section of 
    the payload that needs the digsig. This is a preferred approach where we 
    need to perform online verification of digsig. Hence, there will not be a 
    need to make reference to an external resource, which may not be available 
    at the time when the digsig verification is being performed. This reduces 
    the possibility of digsig failure. 
    
  
     
    
  
    We would urge that 
  you study the COML approach in handling digsig for XML 
  payload.
    
  
     
    
  
    Regards
    
  
    Kama
    
  
    UBL TSC 
  Chair
    
  
     
    
  
     
    
  
    -----Original 
  Message-----
    From: Tim 
  McGrath [mailto:tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au]
    Sent:     Tuesday, 
  September 13, 2005 
  9:06 
  PM
    To: 
  ubl-tsc@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [ubl-tsc] [Fwd: [ubl-psc] 
  Proposal for a signature refenrence]
    
  
     
    
  
    forwarded from Peter 
  Borresen. 

    this is a sample isnatcen of his propsoed digital 
  signature approach.  can we get some technical feedback on the 
  suitability of this for our needs.

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    Subject: 
        
    		
      
        
    [ubl-psc] Proposal for a signature 
        refenrence
    
    
    
      
        
    Date: 
      
    		
      
        
    Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:11:49 
      +0200
    
    
    
      
        
    From: 
      
    		
      
        
    Peter Larsen Borresen <plb@itst.dk>
    
    
    
      
        
    To: 
    		
      
        
    ubl-psc@lists.oasis-open.org, 
        "'ytlee@cecid.hku.hk'" <ytlee@cecid.hku.hk>
    
    
    
      
        
    CC: 
    		
      
        
    'jon.bosak@sun.com' <jon.bosak@sun.com>
    
  
     
    Hallo Thomas and Procurement subcommitee
     
    Please find my proposal for a signature reference in the  xml-spy screen
    dump and xml example file.
     
     
    Best regards
     
    Peter L. Borresen
     
     <<SignatureReference.gif>>  <<UBL-Order-1.0-Office-Example_with
    signatureReference.xml>> 
     
    
  
     
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    tim mcgrath
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    postal: po box 1289   fremantle    western australia 6160
     
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