Corrections: entries attributed to tom were from Alan. ======================================= XLIFF TC Call Date: Tuesday, 17 April 2012, 11:00am - 12:00pm ET === 1/ Roll call Presents: Yves, Victor, Rodolfo, Ingo, Arle, Bryan, Lucìa, Shirley, DavidF, Joachim, DavidW, Helena, Kevin, Fredrik, Tom, Asanka, Jung, Alan, Christian, Leave of absence: Andrew === 2/ Administrative --- 1. Approve Tuesday, 03 April 2012 meeting minutes:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00014.html Bryan moves to accept the minutes Rodolfo seconds No objections --- 2. Proposed and seconded Liaison with Multilingual Web-LT
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00013.html Bryan: Had time to look / think about it. Shall we vote? DavidF: Text of the ballot is here:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00013.html Second ballot (at the same time): Nominee is Arle. Rodolfo: note that P&L SC expires in July, so such liaison will have to be reporting differently. DavidF: if SC not prolonged then we'll need the liaison to report directly to TC. Results: for the creation of the liaison: passes For Arle as the liaison: passes === 3/ XLIFF 2.0 (
http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking --- 1. Features proposed and seconded between meetings via mailing list, and features mentioned Bryan: still need to produce video for editing wiki. a. Proposed and seconded: (B25) Preserve metadata without using extensibility" (
http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#XLIFF2.0.2BAC8-Feature.2BAC8-PreserveXMLattributeormetadatawithoutextensibility.A.28B25.29Preservemetadatawithoutusingextensibility - Extensibility sub thread (
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201203/msg00077.html - Implementing extensions sub thread (
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201203/msg00078.html Rodolfo: some consensus for extensibility points. (custom namespaces) So where would they be allowed? Fredrik: in favor of NOT using custom extension and use Rodolfo/Bryan proposal Bryan: heard only from 3/4 of us only Ingo: was on holiday, couldn't catch up. Currently we use custom namespace. If 2.0 is not backward compatibility then go with meta Yves, Christian: for custom namespaces Ingo: for allowing in source/target Fredrik: Real problem is the use of it. Custom namespaces encourage having info all over the place. Makes it difficult to handle such files. Bryan: metaHolder doesn't necessarily exclude custom namespaces, currently. Could have both, for example in skeleton. Rodolfo: skeleton allow any namespace Bryan: Given that I would be willing to part with custom namespaces. Fredrik: it's about what is reasonable to implement. The issue is with what you do, e.g. has values requiring updates. The problem is the same regardless of metaHolder or custom namespace. metaHolder makes it more cumbersome to do this. Alan: Custom namespace in source/target may affect leveraging. Maybe need custom values to allow better validation. Fredrik: if you allow custom namespace there is little value to metaHolder. Alan: need to keep content as clean as possibility Fredrik: custom data should not be expected to be processed by other tools. Yves: I agree Rodolfo: way to solve this, is to make any extension deletable Ingo: do we have a list where they would be allowed? Rodolfo: no header yet Ingo: header is where we store extension Rodolfo: if go with custom namespace I would allow them anywhere but in source/target and inline codes. Christian: anyone implement XLIFF without XML parser? Rodolfo: I do use a parser, but some do not. Example non-valid characters Fredrik: or attributes in different order Yves: problem with tool not xliff Fredrik: can we have processing expectation for extension? Bryan: too many processing expectation are detrimental to interoperability Rodolfo: if safe to ignore, then 3rd party tool should be ok to not have them back. Fredrik: could have also custom elements in XLIFF making XLIFF without them invalid DavidF: discussion valuable, drifted about Proc expt. Need new thread maybe Rodolfo: suggest electronic ballot with 2 weeks - if we want extension model and which one - with email discussion DavidF: there are many options here, things need to be considered with the 3 levels Bryan: yes/no/abstain + comments allow to change and see reasons Rodolfo: just asking for choosing a model, not define it completely === 4/ Sub Committee Reports --- 1. Inline text (Yves) Minutes are here:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-inline/201204/msg00004.html - F2F in Jun-14/15
http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/OneContentModel/June2012FaceToFace - discussed how to represent XLIFF-supported info that are coded in original file. For example how to represent HTML5 translate attribute: as a code or as an annotation? Answer: both. - looking at directionality markup - discussed validation tools vs schema, agree the topic was for the TC. --- 2. XLIFF Promotion and Liaison SC Charter (David) David: No progress for XLIFF symposium. Please tell David if you want to be in the scientific committee a. David formally proposes to create a formal liaison with MultilingualWeb-LT and nominate Arle Lommel to serve as the first XLIFF TC liaison on MultilingualWeb-LT (
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201203/msg00091.html ) David: thanks for the voting the appointee. b. XLIFF support in CAT tools Survey (
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00001.html ) Lucìa: survey stop Apr-28, no additional answers so far. 8 tools have answered, but 2/3 didn't really answered DavidF: need to resend call. Not enough answers === 6/ New Business Bryan: any new business? - meeting adjourned --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail:
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