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  • 1.  Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )

    Posted 11-13-2013 19:00
    Just resending this with an improved Subject line to enhance findability. CFD unchanged.   From: Schnabel, Bryan S Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:23 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Call for dissent: csprd02   I checked and Yves is correct <ignorable> and <em> do not have FS attributes. I propose removing them from the list of elements in the FS section.   If I do not receive dissent by the end of the week I will consider this approved.   Thanks,   Bryan   129: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/201310/msg00015.html ignorable and fs   Hi all,   The section describing the fs:fs attribute says:   "Used in: <file>, <unit>, <ignorable>, <notes>, <note>, <originalData>, <data>, <cp>, <sc>, <ec>, <ph>, <pc>, <mrk>, <sm> and <em>."   It's incorrect: <ignorable>, <em> do not have fs attributes.   Regards, -yves  


  • 2.  Re: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )

    Posted 11-13-2013 19:40
    Hi Bryan, Yves, while I agree that there is no need for fs on em, becuase there will always be a corresponding sm within a unit to karry the fs info Why not to have it on ignorable, the ignorable could e.g. be made <br/> or what not.. So sure the list needs to agree with the set of elements that actually allow it, but why not ignorable? Cheers dF  Dr. David Filip ======================= LRC CNGL LT-Web CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone: +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile: +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto: david.filip@ul.ie On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Schnabel, Bryan S < bryan.s.schnabel@tektronix.com > wrote: Just resending this with an improved Subject line to enhance findability. CFD unchanged.   From: Schnabel, Bryan S Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:23 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Call for dissent: csprd02   I checked and Yves is correct <ignorable> and <em> do not have FS attributes. I propose removing them from the list of elements in the FS section.   If I do not receive dissent by the end of the week I will consider this approved.   Thanks,   Bryan   129: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/201310/msg00015.html ignorable and fs   Hi all,   The section describing the fs:fs attribute says:   "Used in: <file>, <unit>, <ignorable>, <notes>, <note>, <originalData>, <data>, <cp>, <sc>, <ec>, <ph>, <pc>, <mrk>, <sm> and <em>."   It's incorrect: <ignorable>, <em> do not have fs attributes.   Regards, -yves  


  • 3.  RE: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )

    Posted 11-13-2013 20:06
    Hi David,   If there is an HTML “<br/>” element in <ignorable> it better be in a <data> associated with a <ph>. And the <ph> can have an fs:fs.   Cheers, -yves     From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Dr. David Filip Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:39 PM To: Schnabel, Bryan S Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )   Hi Bryan, Yves,   while I agree that there is no need for fs on em, becuase there will always be a corresponding sm within a unit to karry the fs info   Why not to have it on ignorable, the ignorable could e.g. be made <br/> or what not..   So sure the list needs to agree with the set of elements that actually allow it, but why not ignorable?   Cheers dF  Dr. David Filip ======================= LRC CNGL LT-Web CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone: +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile: +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto: david.filip@ul.ie   On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Schnabel, Bryan S < bryan.s.schnabel@tektronix.com > wrote: Just resending this with an improved Subject line to enhance findability. CFD unchanged.   From: Schnabel, Bryan S Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:23 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Call for dissent: csprd02   I checked and Yves is correct <ignorable> and <em> do not have FS attributes. I propose removing them from the list of elements in the FS section.   If I do not receive dissent by the end of the week I will consider this approved.   Thanks,   Bryan   129: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/201310/msg00015.html ignorable and fs   Hi all,   The section describing the fs:fs attribute says:   "Used in: <file>, <unit>, <ignorable>, <notes>, <note>, <originalData>, <data>, <cp>, <sc>, <ec>, <ph>, <pc>, <mrk>, <sm> and <em>."   It's incorrect: <ignorable>, <em> do not have fs attributes.   Regards, -yves    


  • 4.  Re: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )

    Posted 11-13-2013 21:12
    Thanks, Yves, you are right. And on second thaught. Ignorable assegment sibling should not have module metadata. So actually no dissent here dF Dr. David Filip ======================= LRC CNGL LT-Web CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone: +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile: +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto: david.filip@ul.ie On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yves Savourel < ysavourel@enlaso.com > wrote: Hi David,   If there is an HTML “<br/>” element in <ignorable> it better be in a <data> associated with a <ph>. And the <ph> can have an fs:fs.   Cheers, -yves     From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Dr. David Filip Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:39 PM To: Schnabel, Bryan S Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )   Hi Bryan, Yves,   while I agree that there is no need for fs on em, becuase there will always be a corresponding sm within a unit to karry the fs info   Why not to have it on ignorable, the ignorable could e.g. be made <br/> or what not..   So sure the list needs to agree with the set of elements that actually allow it, but why not ignorable?   Cheers dF  Dr. David Filip ======================= LRC CNGL LT-Web CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone:  +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile:  +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto: david.filip@ul.ie   On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Schnabel, Bryan S < bryan.s.schnabel@tektronix.com > wrote: Just resending this with an improved Subject line to enhance findability. CFD unchanged.   From: Schnabel, Bryan S Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:23 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Call for dissent: csprd02   I checked and Yves is correct <ignorable> and <em> do not have FS attributes. I propose removing them from the list of elements in the FS section.   If I do not receive dissent by the end of the week I will consider this approved.   Thanks,   Bryan   129: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/201310/msg00015.html ignorable and fs   Hi all,   The section describing the fs:fs attribute says:   "Used in: <file>, <unit>, <ignorable>, <notes>, <note>, <originalData>, <data>, <cp>, <sc>, <ec>, <ph>, <pc>, <mrk>, <sm> and <em>."   It's incorrect: <ignorable>, <em> do not have fs attributes.   Regards, -yves    


  • 5.  RE: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )

    Posted 11-13-2013 23:20
    Hi Yves,   I think David was not referring to the content of <ignorable>. I think he was talking about ignoring its content and just using its presence as a placeholder for an HTML preview formatting device. For example (admittedly clunky):   For this input:   <unit id="1" xmlns:fs="fs" fs:fs="p"> <segment>   <source fs:fs="b">First sentence.</source>   <target fs:fs="i">Première phrase.</target> </segment> <ignorable fs:fs="br">   <source><!-- some RTF code "parpar" --></source> </ignorable> <segment>   <source fs:fs="b">Second sentence.</source> </segment> </unit>   Apply this XSL:   <xsl:template match="*" priority="2"> <xsl:choose>   <xsl:when test="@fs:fs">    <xsl:element name="{@fs:fs}">     <xsl:apply-templates />    </xsl:element>   </xsl:when>   <xsl:otherwise>    <xsl:apply-templates />   </xsl:otherwise>  </xsl:choose> </xsl:template>   <xsl:template match="comment()" priority="3" />   And get this preview:   <p>    <b>First sentence.</b>    <i>Première phrase.</i>    <br/>    <b>Second sentence.</b> </p>       From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Yves Savourel Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:06 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )   Hi David,   If there is an HTML “<br/>” element in <ignorable> it better be in a <data> associated with a <ph>. And the <ph> can have an fs:fs.   Cheers, -yves     From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Dr. David Filip Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:39 PM To: Schnabel, Bryan S Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )   Hi Bryan, Yves,   while I agree that there is no need for fs on em, becuase there will always be a corresponding sm within a unit to karry the fs info   Why not to have it on ignorable, the ignorable could e.g. be made <br/> or what not..   So sure the list needs to agree with the set of elements that actually allow it, but why not ignorable?   Cheers dF  Dr. David Filip ======================= LRC CNGL LT-Web CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone: +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile: +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto: david.filip@ul.ie   On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Schnabel, Bryan S < bryan.s.schnabel@tektronix.com > wrote: Just resending this with an improved Subject line to enhance findability. CFD unchanged.   From: Schnabel, Bryan S Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:23 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Call for dissent: csprd02   I checked and Yves is correct <ignorable> and <em> do not have FS attributes. I propose removing them from the list of elements in the FS section.   If I do not receive dissent by the end of the week I will consider this approved.   Thanks,   Bryan   129: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/201310/msg00015.html ignorable and fs   Hi all,   The section describing the fs:fs attribute says:   "Used in: <file>, <unit>, <ignorable>, <notes>, <note>, <originalData>, <data>, <cp>, <sc>, <ec>, <ph>, <pc>, <mrk>, <sm> and <em>."   It's incorrect: <ignorable>, <em> do not have fs attributes.   Regards, -yves    


  • 6.  RE: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )

    Posted 11-13-2013 23:23
    This seems to have posted three hours after I mailed it. In the meantime Yves and David already resolved this issue.   Please ignore this email (pun unintended).   From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Schnabel, Bryan S Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:59 PM To: Yves Savourel; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )   Hi Yves,   I think David was not referring to the content of <ignorable>. I think he was talking about ignoring its content and just using its presence as a placeholder for an HTML preview formatting device. For example (admittedly clunky):   For this input:   <unit id="1" xmlns:fs="fs" fs:fs="p"> <segment>   <source fs:fs="b">First sentence.</source>   <target fs:fs="i">Première phrase.</target> </segment> <ignorable fs:fs="br">   <source><!-- some RTF code "parpar" --></source> </ignorable> <segment>   <source fs:fs="b">Second sentence.</source> </segment> </unit>   Apply this XSL:   <xsl:template match="*" priority="2"> <xsl:choose>   <xsl:when test="@fs:fs">    <xsl:element name="{@fs:fs}">     <xsl:apply-templates />    </xsl:element>   </xsl:when>   <xsl:otherwise>    <xsl:apply-templates />   </xsl:otherwise>  </xsl:choose> </xsl:template>   <xsl:template match="comment()" priority="3" />   And get this preview:   <p>    <b>First sentence.</b>    <i>Première phrase.</i>    <br/>    <b>Second sentence.</b> </p>       From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Yves Savourel Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:06 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )   Hi David,   If there is an HTML “<br/>” element in <ignorable> it better be in a <data> associated with a <ph>. And the <ph> can have an fs:fs.   Cheers, -yves     From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Dr. David Filip Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:39 PM To: Schnabel, Bryan S Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [xliff] Call for dissent: csprd02 129 ignorable and fs (RE: Call for dissent: csprd02 )   Hi Bryan, Yves,   while I agree that there is no need for fs on em, becuase there will always be a corresponding sm within a unit to karry the fs info   Why not to have it on ignorable, the ignorable could e.g. be made <br/> or what not..   So sure the list needs to agree with the set of elements that actually allow it, but why not ignorable?   Cheers dF  Dr. David Filip ======================= LRC CNGL LT-Web CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone: +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile: +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto: david.filip@ul.ie   On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Schnabel, Bryan S < bryan.s.schnabel@tektronix.com > wrote: Just resending this with an improved Subject line to enhance findability. CFD unchanged.   From: Schnabel, Bryan S Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:23 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Call for dissent: csprd02   I checked and Yves is correct <ignorable> and <em> do not have FS attributes. I propose removing them from the list of elements in the FS section.   If I do not receive dissent by the end of the week I will consider this approved.   Thanks,   Bryan   129: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/201310/msg00015.html ignorable and fs   Hi all,   The section describing the fs:fs attribute says:   "Used in: <file>, <unit>, <ignorable>, <notes>, <note>, <originalData>, <data>, <cp>, <sc>, <ec>, <ph>, <pc>, <mrk>, <sm> and <em>."   It's incorrect: <ignorable>, <em> do not have fs attributes.   Regards, -yves