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Re: [xacml] [Issue] How many resourceIds in request context?

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    Posted 01-06-2004 02:15
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    Subject: Re: [xacml] [Issue] How many resourceIds in request context?



    A complementary comment:

    Section 10.2.5 says that the semantics of
    "current-time", "current-date", and "current-dateTime" attributes
    are NOT transparent to PDP since PDP must supply the values if omitted.

    For almost the same reason,
    I think the semantics of "resource-id" and "scope"
    are NOT transparent to PDP, too.

    Satoshi Hada
    IBM Tokyo Research Laboratory
    mailto:satoshih@jp.ibm.com



    Satoshi Hada/Japan/IBM@IBMJP

    2004/01/06 09:24

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    >> Part of the motivation for requiring "one and only one" was based
    >> on the need to index on something that would always be present.


    One comment (based on Section 7.8 Hierarchical resources):


    The following may be another motivation.


    When a request context specifies a "scope" attribute,

    I think that one and only one "resource-id" attribute
    must be specified. Otherwise, we cannot process
    the "scope" attribute.


    In this sense, "resource-id" is special and
    different from any other attributes.


    Satoshi Hada
    IBM Tokyo Research Laboratory
    mailto:satoshih@jp.ibm.com


    Anne Anderson <Anne.Anderson@Sun.COM>

    2004/01/06 04:02

    Please respond to
    Anne.Anderson

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    On 5 January, Seth Proctor writes: Re: [xacml] [Issue] How many resourceIds in request context?
    > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 11:33, Anne Anderson wrote:
    > > Some people, including Hal and, I think, Seth, believe that there
    > > absolutely must be one and only one resource-id attribute.  The
    > > reasoning is that any Request must at least specify the
    > > resource-id in order to know what is being accessed.
    >
    > I don't know why you think I have such a strong opinion on this. I don't
    > think I've ever weighed in on this matter. I do believe that the spec
    > currently requires a valid Request to contain exactly one resource-id
    > attribute, so that requirement is in my open source project.

    I stand corrected.  Seth convinced me that the spec currently
    does require at least one resource-id, but he never stated an
    opinion on whether that was goodness or not.

    > > I disagree with this view.  I believe a resource could be
    > > described via attributes other than its resource-id.  For
    > > example, a Request could ask for access to a resource that has a
    > > security label of "Top Secret".  The policy may not care what the
    > > resource-id is, but is willing to grant or deny access based on
    > > whether the Subject has a corresponding security clearance
    > > attribute.

    Part of the motivation for requiring "one and only one" was based
    on the need to index on something that would always be present.
    If we accept, however, that there are valid cases where policy is
    based on resource attributes other than resource-id, then an
    implementation that supplies its own default dummy resource-id
    (when none is present) will be more robust than one that depends
    on each application to provide the correct dummy value.

    Anne
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    Sun Microsystems Laboratories
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    Burlington, MA 01803-0902 USA  Fax: 781/442-1692


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