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Meeting on Friday, Aug 7 for ebCORE?

  • 1.  Meeting on Friday, Aug 7 for ebCORE?

    Posted 08-05-2009 15:10 
    Do we have agenda items for a telecon call for ebCORE on Friday? I know
many people are on holiday or travel this month. Please advise if you
are or are not available, and any agenda items.

Thanks!
Kathryn


Kathryn Breininger
Manager, Release & Delivery Services
CIMS - Center for Information Management Services

MC 62-LC
425-965-0242 desk
425-512-4281 cell
425-237-4582 fax


  • 2.  RE: [ebcore] Meeting on Friday, Aug 7 for ebCORE?

    Posted 08-05-2009 15:56 
    If we meet, and Pim can be on the call, I have a maintenance issue about
party-id type values for version 3. It should not take a long time to
discuss. (Issue raised on ebxml-dev recently.)

I am available this Friday for a change!

Dale Moberg




    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 3.  RE: [ebcore] Meeting on Friday, Aug 7 for ebCORE?

    Posted 08-05-2009 19:16 
    Hello,

I should be able to make it. I posted a follow-up to the ebXML-Dev posting.

Pim


    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 4.  YES RE: [ebcore] Meeting on Friday, Aug 7 for ebCORE? Call in info and agenda below

    Posted 08-05-2009 19:21 
    Great! It sounds like Pim, Ian, Dale and I will be available. We will
plan to go ahead with the call. Agenda item will be the maintenance
issues identified below, and any other items you would like to bring to
the table.

The telecon number and password:

USA toll: 1-303-632-3052

USA Toll free: 888-499-2539

PARTICIPANT PASSCODE (same for all countries): 7627600

NETHERLANDS Caller Paid 0-20-2061565 

NETHERLANDS Toll-Free 0800-022-8641 
 
Talk to you all then!
Kathryn


Kathryn Breininger
Manager, Release & Delivery Services
CIMS - Center for Information Management Services

MC 62-LC
425-965-0242 desk
425-512-4281 cell
425-237-4582 fax



    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 5.  Meeting Call today Friday, Aug 21 for ebCORE?

    Posted 08-21-2009 10:53 
     Team,

	are we having a call today?  One item of business has cropped up from the messaging TC to action work on CPPA spec for the new version of messaging due soon.

	Sorry, I should have posted this yesterday - I thought call was next Friday!

Ian


  • 6.  RE: [ebcore] Meeting Call today Friday, Aug 21 for ebCORE?

    Posted 08-21-2009 13:09 
    Hello,

Since I raised this in the messaging TC meeting, I indeed have some ideas to
propose for CPA 3.0. As ebCore is a successor to the former CPA TC, we could
use some time of the scheduled ebCore meetings to discuss this.  But as only
a subset of ebCore members is interested in CPA, we should put it as last
item on the agenda so those not interested can leave. Having said this, I
think I should write up my input in an email to be sent some time in advance
of a meeting so people have some time to review them. So today is too early
for this and there being no other items I'm aware of we could cancel.  But
if we schedule the CPA topic for the meeting of September 4th, I will commit
to providing some input.

Pim 


    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 7.  RE: [ebcore] Meeting Call today Friday, Aug 21 for ebCORE?

    Posted 08-21-2009 13:38 
    All,

    I support cancelling as the other was from the last call and has not completed - e-mails started last week but just stopped.

Ian 


    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 8.  RE: [ebcore] Meeting Call today Friday, Aug 21 for ebCORE?

    Posted 08-21-2009 13:46 
    Hi Pim

It would be good to have the issues sent to the list prior to the
meeting.

I think it would be a better use of time, and permit Kathryn to chair,
if we ask her to put this on the agenda for Sept 4.

Ian, should we then cancel the meeting today in that there is no new
business quite ready for discussion?

Thanks
Dale Moberg



    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 9.  RE: [ebcore] Meeting Call today Friday, Aug 21 for ebCORE?

    Posted 08-21-2009 13:54 
     Dale,

	 I propose we cancel today's meeting and as co-chair you send a cancellation as 3 of the regulars support cancellation  and the other co-chair is absent.

Ian


    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 10.  RE: [ebcore] Meeting Call today Friday, Aug 21 for ebCORE?

    Posted 08-21-2009 14:15 
    Meeting today is cancelled. Next meeting will be Sept 4.



    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 11.  CPP/CPA enhancement suggestions

    Posted 09-03-2009 20:56 
     


Here are some brief descriptions of potential enhancement requests for
ebXML CPP/CPA, for tomorrow's meeting. Depending on interest from the
TC, these could be developed further.

Warning: these are rough ideas, hopefully the description conveys the
general ideas.

1) Supporting end-to-end agreements in multihop: abstracting from
 hop-specific parameters

In the current CPP/CPA schema, a


  • 12.  RE: [ebcore] CPP/CPA enhancement suggestions

    Posted 10-23-2009 15:34 
     
A reminder that our bi-weekly CPPA SC is today.  

Here are some additional comments, following up from my
email of September 3rd. 
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/group_public/email/ebcore/200
909/msg00005.html
I continue the numbering from that email.

6) WS-A EPR and synchronous business responses  
(Follow up on (5) in earlier email, replacing the
@usesTransportBackChannel attribute by anonymous EPR).

In CPA 2.0 and the draft 3.0, synchronous business responses
are modelled using nesting.  In the CollaborationInfo
structure of the initiator, there is a CanSend element (or
ActionBinding equivalent) that can have an CanSend.
Similarly, the responder has a CanReceive with a nested
CanSend.

In a CPP, multiple DeliveryChannels can be used to express
alternatives.  However, if a partner supports synchronous
and asynchronous responses, this can not be expressed as
separate DeliveryChannel options, that can be selected by
CPP intersection.  You have to have multiple CanSends (resp.
CanReceive etc.), one with an embedded CanReceive, and
another without one.  

An simple alternative way to express synchronous responses
is to adopt WS-Addressing and the anonymous EPR.  Then we
can describe the "response" message in the CPP as having two
alternative channels:  one with a proper URL (that can be
HTTP posted to asynchronously) and another with an
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/addressing/anonymous EPR.  

To accomodate this, we should change DeliveryChannelType to
have either a transportId reference or reference to an EPR,
as a transport reference is not needed. (In the approach
with synchronous replies as nesting, there still is a
required reference from the embedded action binding, though
it is not used).   

We need the EPR change and optional transport anyway for
multihop:

7)  Multiple channels

With multihop, some agreement parameters are end-to-end
(sender and ultimate recipient), and others are between
endpoints and edge intermediary (see section 2.8.2 and 2.8.3
in the Part 2 draft).  The partner agreement is only about
the end-to-end agreement.  We could extend the CPP to extend
each delivery channel option from a single channel reference
to multiple 

	

Where each channel is tagged with a role:


  • 13.  RE: [ebcore] Meeting Call today Friday, Aug 21 for ebCORE?

    Posted 08-21-2009 13:43 
    Hi Ian,

I think that Kathryn is still on vacation, out in the backcountry.

We can begin discussion on the CPPA v 3 for ebMS and AS4 and I-cloud.
But we should have a full TC to consider whether to start a
subcommittee, IMO. 

I have several calls this morning before 10, but we need Pim on the call
to continue the discussion. Thanks for reminding me.

Dale 


    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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