OASIS Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) TC

Greetings! While applying changes to section 1.2 of part 3, I ran into odd behavior for the normative references. They were restricted from user changes and when I changed that setting, all the present formatting was loss. :-( Undo in LO was no help. I went ahead with the changes but I did check the alleged bibliography manager but it appears to have no relationship to the normative references, at least judging from its content. Thought the absence of the content of 1.2 from the bibliography manager curious enough to mention. Hope everyone is having a great week! Patrick -- Patrick Durusau patrick@durusau.net Technical Advisory Board, OASIS (TAB) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau Attachment: signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Hi Patrick, The tool "Bibliography Database" in menu Tools is only for an external bibliography database but not for the embedded "Bibliography Entry" items. So no wonder, that you cannot find the entries there. One problem here is, that the bibliography index is always build from all of the bibliography entries in the document. But we need an index of normative references and an index of non-normative references. Therefore manually editing the index is needed in a final run. If you use "update index" in the draft, such editing is lost. A second problem is, that the references contain click-able links to the source. Such do not exist in the bibliography index and the link has to be added manually. There exists a URL field, but it is not click-able. Here too a simple "update index" will destroy all the manual changes. Currently the formatting of the parts of the reference are not done by styles but by hard formatting. Therefore they are lost too. But that can be solved in the settings of the bibliography index. I'm not sure, whether using embedded bibliography entries is the best way for getting a bibliography index. A different way might be to write the references directly as paragraph into a chapter and use a bookmark/reference system. Kind regards Regina Patrick Durusau schrieb am 09.05.2018 um 22:48: Greetings! While applying changes to section 1.2 of part 3, I ran into odd behavior for the normative references. They were restricted from user changes and when I changed that setting, all the present formatting was loss. :-( Undo in LO was no help. I went ahead with the changes but I did check the alleged bibliography manager but it appears to have no relationship to the normative references, at least judging from its content. Thought the absence of the content of 1.2 from the bibliography manager curious enough to mention. Hope everyone is having a great week! Patrick

Regina, Thanks! Your comments ring several bells of conversations with Michael Brauer years ago about the manual editing of the references table. I won't look to the app and will just manually edit with links etc. That would be a cool ability to assign sorted bibiiographies, such as at the heads of chapters (European style academic publishing). Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick On 05/13/2018 03:56 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > The tool "Bibliography Database" in menu Tools is only for an external > bibliography database but not for the embedded "Bibliography Entry" > items. So no wonder, that you cannot find the entries there. > > One problem here is, that the bibliography index is always build from > all of the bibliography entries in the document. But we need an index > of normative references and an index of non-normative references. > Therefore manually editing the index is needed in a final run. If you > use "update index" in the draft, such editing is lost. > > A second problem is, that the references contain click-able links to > the source. Such do not exist in the bibliography index and the link > has to be added manually. There exists a URL field, but it is not > click-able. Here too a simple "update index" will destroy all the > manual changes. > > Currently the formatting of the parts of the reference are not done by > styles but by hard formatting. Therefore they are lost too. But that > can be solved in the settings of the bibliography index. > > I'm not sure, whether using embedded bibliography entries is the best > way for getting a bibliography index. A different way might be to > write the references directly as paragraph into a chapter and use a > bookmark/reference system. > > Kind regards > Regina > > > Patrick Durusau schrieb am 09.05.2018 um 22:48: >> Greetings! >> >> While applying changes to section 1.2 of part 3, I ran into odd behavior >> for the normative references. >> >> They were restricted from user changes and when I changed that setting, >> all the present formatting was loss. :-( Undo in LO was no help. >> >> I went ahead with the changes but I did check the alleged bibliography >> manager but it appears to have no relationship to the normative >> references, at least judging from its content. >> >> Thought the absence of the content of 1.2 from the bibliography manager >> curious enough to mention. >> >> Hope everyone is having a great week! >> >> Patrick >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail.  Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php -- Patrick Durusau patrick@durusau.net Technical Advisory Board, OASIS (TAB) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau Attachment: signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Hi Patrick, in the meantime I have looked into the broken bibliographic index in OpenDocument-v1.3-wd05-part3-documents.odt It contains faulty attributes of type text:style-name="_5f_35_5f__5f_20_5f__5f_5f_5f_35_5f_5f_5f__5f_5f_5f_ .. Some of them seem originally "emphasis" and "stron emphasis" style. But I think, it would be better to remove them all, and then set the correct ones for the reference types, which are actually used. Which LibreOffice (or other app?) version do you have used for editing? Kind regards Regina Patrick Durusau schrieb am 13.05.2018 um 23:06: Regina, Thanks! Your comments ring several bells of conversations with Michael Brauer years ago about the manual editing of the references table. I won't look to the app and will just manually edit with links etc. That would be a cool ability to assign sorted bibiiographies, such as at the heads of chapters (European style academic publishing). Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick On 05/13/2018 03:56 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Patrick, The tool "Bibliography Database" in menu Tools is only for an external bibliography database but not for the embedded "Bibliography Entry" items. So no wonder, that you cannot find the entries there. One problem here is, that the bibliography index is always build from all of the bibliography entries in the document. But we need an index of normative references and an index of non-normative references. Therefore manually editing the index is needed in a final run. If you use "update index" in the draft, such editing is lost. A second problem is, that the references contain click-able links to the source. Such do not exist in the bibliography index and the link has to be added manually. There exists a URL field, but it is not click-able. Here too a simple "update index" will destroy all the manual changes. Currently the formatting of the parts of the reference are not done by styles but by hard formatting. Therefore they are lost too. But that can be solved in the settings of the bibliography index. I'm not sure, whether using embedded bibliography entries is the best way for getting a bibliography index. A different way might be to write the references directly as paragraph into a chapter and use a bookmark/reference system. Kind regards Regina Patrick Durusau schrieb am 09.05.2018 um 22:48: Greetings! While applying changes to section 1.2 of part 3, I ran into odd behavior for the normative references. They were restricted from user changes and when I changed that setting, all the present formatting was loss. :-( Undo in LO was no help. I went ahead with the changes but I did check the alleged bibliography manager but it appears to have no relationship to the normative references, at least judging from its content. Thought the absence of the content of 1.2 from the bibliography manager curious enough to mention. Hope everyone is having a great week! Patrick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php

Regina, +1 on setting the correct styles. I'm using LO: Version: 6.0.2.1 Build ID: f7f06a8f319e4b62f9bc5095aa112a65d2f3ac89 CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 4.4; UI render: default; VCL: gtk2; Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); Calc: CL Talk to you tomorrow! Hope you are at the start of a great week! Patrick On 05/13/2018 06:04 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > in the meantime I have looked into the broken bibliographic index in > OpenDocument-v1.3-wd05-part3-documents.odt > It contains faulty attributes of type > text:style-name="_5f_35_5f__5f_20_5f__5f_5f_5f_35_5f_5f_5f__5f_5f_5f_ .. > Some of them seem originally "emphasis" and "stron emphasis" style. > But I think, it would be better to remove them all, and then set the > correct ones for the reference types, which are actually used. > > Which LibreOffice (or other app?) version do you have used for editing? > > Kind regards > Regina > > Patrick Durusau schrieb am 13.05.2018 um 23:06: >> Regina, >> >> Thanks! >> >> Your comments ring several bells of conversations with Michael Brauer >> years ago about the manual editing of the references table. >> >> I won't look to the app and will just manually edit with links etc. That >> would be a cool ability to assign sorted bibiiographies, such as at the >> heads of chapters (European style academic publishing). >> >> Hope you are at the start of a great week! >> >> Patrick >> >> >> On 05/13/2018 03:56 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: >>> Hi Patrick, >>> >>> The tool "Bibliography Database" in menu Tools is only for an external >>> bibliography database but not for the embedded "Bibliography Entry" >>> items. So no wonder, that you cannot find the entries there. >>> >>> One problem here is, that the bibliography index is always build from >>> all of the bibliography entries in the document. But we need an index >>> of normative references and an index of non-normative references. >>> Therefore manually editing the index is needed in a final run. If you >>> use "update index" in the draft, such editing is lost. >>> >>> A second problem is, that the references contain click-able links to >>> the source. Such do not exist in the bibliography index and the link >>> has to be added manually. There exists a URL field, but it is not >>> click-able. Here too a simple "update index" will destroy all the >>> manual changes. >>> >>> Currently the formatting of the parts of the reference are not done by >>> styles but by hard formatting. Therefore they are lost too. But that >>> can be solved in the settings of the bibliography index. >>> >>> I'm not sure, whether using embedded bibliography entries is the best >>> way for getting a bibliography index. A different way might be to >>> write the references directly as paragraph into a chapter and use a >>> bookmark/reference system. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Regina >>> >>> >>> Patrick Durusau schrieb am 09.05.2018 um 22:48: >>>> Greetings! >>>> >>>> While applying changes to section 1.2 of part 3, I ran into odd >>>> behavior >>>> for the normative references. >>>> >>>> They were restricted from user changes and when I changed that >>>> setting, >>>> all the present formatting was loss. :-( Undo in LO was no help. >>>> >>>> I went ahead with the changes but I did check the alleged bibliography >>>> manager but it appears to have no relationship to the normative >>>> references, at least judging from its content. >>>> >>>> Thought the absence of the content of 1.2 from the bibliography >>>> manager >>>> curious enough to mention. >>>> >>>> Hope everyone is having a great week! >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>> generates this mail.  Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail.  Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php -- Patrick Durusau patrick@durusau.net Technical Advisory Board, OASIS (TAB) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau Attachment: signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature