Greetings! ODF Chat notes from 28 August 2017: anonymous morphed into Jos van den Oever anonymous morphed into Thomas Thomas: Mornng Thomas: Yes Patrick: we have quorum Patrick: Previous discussion, chart placement, 3D objects in documents Jos van den Oever: chat from last time:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/201708/msg00020.html Regina Henschel: 3928 Regina Henschel:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-3928 Patrick: that possibly exceed the pure coordinate region. Jos van den Oever: Patrick: if in document we have a graphical object where coordinate region specifies a position, are you, Regina, saying that the labels may be placed without regard to that region? Jos van den Oever: Regina: it's possible that they are outside the coordinate region Jos van den Oever: Patrick: but inside the positioning rectangle? Jos van den Oever: Regina: that depends on the application, e.g. the frame Jos van den Oever: Regina: the same issue applies with the rectangle of a plot area Jos van den Oever: Jos: with the coordinate region defined, the outer rectangle is not guaranteed to contain all the parts of the graph Jos van den Oever: Patrick: the positioning of things outside the coordinate system are not constrained by the coord region area Jos van den Oever: Regina: the x,y,width and height only refers to the coordinate region Patrick: The <chart:coordinate-region> element defines the positioning rectangle of a coordinate system excluding axis labels, tick marks, titles and data labels. Jos van den Oever: Jos: the labels are usually outside the coordinate region Patrick: That's one reason to not mention "exceed the pure coordinate region," here. Patrick: I like the shorter version b/c if we don't define axis labels, tick marks, etc., then they are defined elsewhere. Jos van den Oever: Jos: that would keep the definition simple, the text is there because the previous behavior was different Jos van den Oever: Regina: should I drop that part? Regina Henschel: Yes, delete "that may lap out of the pure coordinate region". Patrick: that possibly exceed the pure coordinate region. -> that may extend beyond the positioning rectangle. Jos van den Oever: Patrick: i was worried about the lack of definition for coordinate region Jos van den Oever: Jos: do you want to avoid the word 'coordinate region'? Jos van den Oever: Patrick: would a rectangle beyond the positioning rectangle be a way to say that? Jos van den Oever: Regina: what does extend mean? Jos van den Oever: Regina: Some elements are inside, some outside the positioning rectangle Jos van den Oever: Jos: so it's like a viewPort in SVG Jos van den Oever: Regina: the different with the plotarea is that only coordinate system itself is used and the labels are not considered Jos van den Oever: Regina: the difference is in the way the coordinate position is defined Regina Henschel: Do all agree with "that may extend beyond the positioning rectangle"? Jos van den Oever: "positioning rectangle" is the "coordinate rectangle", this is confusing, better to define coordinate region properly Jos van den Oever: Jos: I prefer 'plot area' and 'coordinate region' and to not introduce a new term 'positioning rectangle' Patrick: if we have "coordinate region," does that exclude having a plot region? I don't think so but wanted to ask Patrick: always have a plot area, even with coordinate region Jos van den Oever: No, there's always a plot area Jos van den Oever: if there is a coordinate region, then the coordinate region determines placement and size of the the plot components Jos van den Oever: This gives precise positioning of the coordinate area. Jos van den Oever: The text would have a part with a definition and a part that describes how the objects are scaled into this area. Jos van den Oever: Regina: I can make a new paragraph for next week. Jos van den Oever: Regina: The 3d charts are explained in the next section. Jos van den Oever: Regina: would have different sections for the different parts of the graph Jos van den Oever: s/graph/spec section Patrick: 20.5 chart:axis-label-position 20.63 chart:tick-mark-position 20.31 chart:label-position Jos van den Oever: Patrick: The position of the parts of the plot are not defined strictly. Jos van den Oever: Jos: the coordinate region is meant to precisely position the plot contents Jos van den Oever: Patrick: so the application has freedom for where to place things like tickmarks Jos van den Oever: Patrick: would we like to give users control over the display of tickmarks etc? Jos van den Oever: Jos: Let's wait for an implementation to show how to do that Jos van den Oever: Patrick: it would be the next logical step Patrick: Perhaps for the version after this one - user control over placement Jos van den Oever: Regina sent a mail with a proposal for the 3d part. Jos van den Oever: Patrick: we should make better use of the mailing list Jos van den Oever: Patrick: I'm intrigued by the proposal to predefine types of scaling Jos van den Oever: Jos: we could voting explicitly on the agenda with the understanding that discussion has taken place beforehand via the mailing list Jos van den Oever: Michael: I like that idea Jos van den Oever: Patrick: that used to be the practice Jos van den Oever: It was still possible to have last minute questions Jos van den Oever: but it could certainly work. Jos van den Oever: for next week we'll choose a few non-controversial issues that are coming up for a vote Jos van den Oever: there'll be essentially two weeks to investigate each issue before the vote Jos van den Oever: Regina: I would like to have the discussion on the mailing list Jos van den Oever: Regina: each notification is placed on the mailing list too now that the notifier has been repaired Jos van den Oever: Patrick: we have agreement that we should work on an agenda, Jos and I will prepare one for next week Jos van den Oever: Meeting adjourned Jos van den Oever: have a great week! Thomas: Take care Hope everyone is at the start of a great week! Patrick -- Patrick Durusau
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