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  • 1.  Meeting schedule going forward: Daylight Savings Time

    Posted 10-14-2009 18:23
    (I'm cc'ing the chairs of the ODF Adoption and OIC TC's since they will 
    face this same issue on their TC's)
    
    I just went to cancel the November 2nd meeting, per our decision on 
    Monday, and saw that the repeating invite for the TC meetings will expire 
    at the end of October.  We set it to expire at this time so we can adjust 
    the meeting time to account for the various daylight savings time changes 
    over the next month .
    
    The changes, as I understand them are:
    
    DST ends:
    
    In Europe on Sunday, October 25th this year.
    
    In the US on Sunday, November 1st.
    
    DST begins:
    
    In Brazil, on Sunday October 17th.
    
    And China does not observe daylight savings time changes.
    
    Current meeting time for the TC has been at:
    
    1400 UTC = 7am West Coast US, 10:00am East Coast US, 4:00pm Hamburg, 10pm 
    Beijing
    
    What we have done in past years is keep the US time constant, resulting in 
    a meeting time after the DST changes of:
    
    1500 UTC = 7am West Coast US, 10:00am East Coast US, 4:00pm Hamburg, 11pm 
    Beijing
    
    Obviously that makes it quite late in Beijing. 
    
    The alternative would be to keep the UTC the same, which gives us:
    
    1400 UTC = 6am West Coast US, 9:00am East Coast US, 3:00pm Hamburg, 10pm 
    Beijing
    
    I know of another TC that solved this problem with a compromise: start the 
    meeting at 1430.
    
    So three choices for a meeting time:
    
    a) 1400 UTC
    b) 1430 UTC
    c) 1500 UTC
    
    I don't have a strong preference here, since the globe appears to be 
    aligned in such a fashion that I will get enough sleep whatever we decide. 
     
    
    Regards,
    
    -Rob
    


  • 2.  RE: [office] Meeting schedule going forward: Daylight Savings Time

    Posted 10-14-2009 19:45
    My understanding is that at some point, the OIC TC changes its time from
    1430 GMT to 1530.  In my case, in the Pacific Time Zone, that has meetings
    start at a constant 06:30 am year round, just as ODF TC meetings have
    started at a constant 07:00 am, year round.
    
    You will notice that since the plugfest-organization calls moved to 06:00
    and earlier my time, I have not been present on any call.  I am not saying
    that would be a consequence of earlier times for the ODF TC and the OIC TC
    -- I have more skin in the activities of those TCs.  I would nevertheless
    have to deal with the additional disruption that would make for me and for
    my household. 
    
    I also confess that it is easier to be attentive and alert by arising
    earlier than by staying up later.  I sympathize with the desire that
    participants in Far Eastern time zones not have to be on the call terribly
    late.
    
    Folks here on the Silicon Coast are not know as early risers.  I suppose we
    can take it as character-building.
    
     - Dennis
    
    Dennis E. Hamilton
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  • 3.  RE: [office] Meeting schedule going forward: Daylight Savings Time - Recalibration

    Posted 10-15-2009 01:51
    I've had too many early meetings already this week, and there's another
    tomorrow [;<).  I think I'm getting delirious about what the time is and
    when the meetings are.
    
    Let me recalibrate:
    
    The current time for OIC TC calls is 1330-1430 GMT and the idea is to change
    it to 1430-1530 so that local time in North America won't change (that is,
    the meeting is at 06:30am local time on the Pacific Coast now, gmt-0700, and
    it will still be local 06:30 am, gmt-0800, after November 1.
    
    Going to 1400-1500 gmt on any of the ODF TCs is just more painful.  It might
    be necessary to accommodate an international span of participants and other
    scheduling constraints of participants.  It will still be painful.
    
     - Dennis 
    
    


  • 4.  RE: [office] Meeting schedule going forward: Daylight Savings Time -Recalibration

    Posted 10-15-2009 02:54
    "Dennis E. Hamilton" 


  • 5.  Re: [office] Meeting schedule going forward: Daylight Savings Time- Recalibration

    Posted 10-15-2009 03:48
    Hi,
    
    robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
    
    [...]
    
    > 
    > Maybe there are other solutions?
    > 
    > Looking at all members who have attended in the past 12 meetings, I see 
    > the following distribution (West to East):
    > 
    > Pacific: 5 
    > Mountain: 1 
    > Eastern/Brazil: 5 
    > UK: 1 
    > Europe : 4
    > Beijing: 2
    
    I wasn't aware, that we have 5 members from the Pacific time zone, 
    significantly more than in Beijing. In this case I could also live with 
    the solution to have the meetings at 1500 UTC, as written before, from 
    Nov. 1st I attend the TC as an individual member, hence I likely be able 
    to sleep a little longer the next morning.
    
    Best regards,
    Peter
    
    -- 
    Peter Junge
    Open Source Strategy Director
    
    Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.
    Building No.2, Block A, Huilongsen, 18 Xihuan Nanlu
    Beijing Economic-Technological Development Area
    100176 Beijing - P.R.China
    
    北京红旗中文贰仟软件技术有限公司
    地址:北京经济技术开发区(亦庄)西环南路18号汇龙森A座二层
    邮编:100176
    
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  • 6.  Re: [office] Meeting schedule going forward: Daylight Savings Time

    Posted 10-14-2009 20:48
    On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 14:24 -0400, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
    
    > So three choices for a meeting time:
    > 
    > a) 1400 UTC
    > b) 1430 UTC
    > c) 1500 UTC
    > 
    > I don't have a strong preference here, since the globe appears to be 
    > aligned in such a fashion that I will get enough sleep whatever we decide. 
    >  
    
    Personally I would prefer the earlier times. From 8:00 to 9:00 MDT I am
    charged with entertaining a class of Arts students with some exciting
    Mathematics ;-) 
    
    As a consequence I haven't been able to make the last TC meetings.
    Moving to an earlier time (for me locally) would allow me to attend.
    
    Andreas 
    -- 
    Andreas J. Guelzow, PhD, FTICA
    Mathematical & Computing Sciences
    Concordia University College of Alberta
    
    


  • 7.  Re: [office] Meeting schedule going forward: Daylight Savings Time

    Posted 10-15-2009 02:29
    Hi,
    
    as this is both tough for members on the West Coast and in East Asia, I
    would vote for the compromise, so my choice is "b) 1430 UTC".
    
    Best regards,
    Peter
    
    P.S.: Rob, Don, Bart: Sorry for the extra mail traffic, previously I 
    have been using my private mail account by mistake.
    
    robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
    > (I'm cc'ing the chairs of the ODF Adoption and OIC TC's since they will 
    > face this same issue on their TC's)
    > 
    > I just went to cancel the November 2nd meeting, per our decision on 
    > Monday, and saw that the repeating invite for the TC meetings will expire 
    > at the end of October.  We set it to expire at this time so we can adjust 
    > the meeting time to account for the various daylight savings time changes 
    > over the next month .
    > 
    > The changes, as I understand them are:
    > 
    > DST ends:
    > 
    > In Europe on Sunday, October 25th this year.
    > 
    > In the US on Sunday, November 1st.
    > 
    > DST begins:
    > 
    > In Brazil, on Sunday October 17th.
    > 
    > And China does not observe daylight savings time changes.
    > 
    > Current meeting time for the TC has been at:
    > 
    > 1400 UTC = 7am West Coast US, 10:00am East Coast US, 4:00pm Hamburg, 10pm 
    > Beijing
    > 
    > What we have done in past years is keep the US time constant, resulting in 
    > a meeting time after the DST changes of:
    > 
    > 1500 UTC = 7am West Coast US, 10:00am East Coast US, 4:00pm Hamburg, 11pm 
    > Beijing
    > 
    > Obviously that makes it quite late in Beijing. 
    > 
    > The alternative would be to keep the UTC the same, which gives us:
    > 
    > 1400 UTC = 6am West Coast US, 9:00am East Coast US, 3:00pm Hamburg, 10pm 
    > Beijing
    > 
    > I know of another TC that solved this problem with a compromise: start the 
    > meeting at 1430.
    > 
    > So three choices for a meeting time:
    > 
    > a) 1400 UTC
    > b) 1430 UTC
    > c) 1500 UTC
    > 
    > I don't have a strong preference here, since the globe appears to be 
    > aligned in such a fashion that I will get enough sleep whatever we decide. 
    >  
    > 
    > Regards,
    > 
    > -Rob
    > 
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    -- 
    Peter Junge
    Open Source Strategy Director
    
    Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.
    Building No.2, Block A, Huilongsen, 18 Xihuan Nanlu
    Beijing Economic-Technological Development Area
    100176 Beijing - P.R.China
    
    北京红旗中文贰仟软件技术有限公司
    地址:北京经济技术开发区(亦庄)西环南路18号汇龙森A座二层
    邮编:100176
    
    电话/Tel: +86-10-51570010 ext.6183
    邮箱/e-mail: peterjunge@RedOffice.com
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