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  • 1.  Re: [office] preferred view mode upon opening document

    Posted 10-30-2008 08:48 
    This sounds good to me. I only would like to add that whenever an 
implementor adds an implementation specific value and believes that 
other implementations could make reasonable use of it, that I then would 
strongly recommend to submit a proposal to the TC to standardize this value.

Michael

On 29.10.08 22:09, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
>  > 2. What about a sentence on the specification like: "It is 
>> recommended that all custom view mode specification documentation is
>> made available to enhance documents interoperability" ?
>>
> 
> The issue Warren raises is a general issue, not exclusive to view mode 
> alone.  One way to address this globally is two add two things to the ODF 
> text:
> 
> 1) Where ever something like this occurs, explicitly call the behavior 
> "implementation-defined".  Use that as a uniform label of areas where ODF 
> allows implementations to implement their own behaviors.  So we say 
> something like "Additional view modes may be used, but they shall be 
> prefixed by a namespace qualifier not defined by this standard.  The 
> behavior of such view modes is implementation-defined".
> 
> 2) Then in the conformance clause, we add language like:  "An 
> implementation shall be accompanied by a document that defines all 
> implementation-defined and locale-specific characteristics and all 
> extensions."  (That is the language directly out of ISO/IEC 9899:1999 C 
> Programming Language.  You can see here what one implementation created to 
> define its "implementation-defined" features:  
> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/C-Implementation.html
> 
> We don't need that exact language, but you get the idea.  A standard can 
> allow implementation-defined behavior, but can also require that these be 
> documented.  If we're going to do this, I'd rather we do it pervasively in 
> the standard rather than just in the view mode attribute.
> 
> What do TC members think? 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
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  • 2.  Re: [office] preferred view mode upon opening document

    Posted 10-30-2008 17:27 
    That's a good idea.

wt

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 01:47, Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 -
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  • 3.  RE: [office] preferred view mode upon opening document

    Posted 10-31-2008 02:36 
    I'm aligned with this too, along with Warren.

It might be useful have a registry of such implementation-defined attribute
values so their specification can be widely known and possible addition to
the standard considered in the way that happens more deliberately.  

 - Dennis  


    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 4.  RE: [office] preferred view mode upon opening document

    Posted 10-31-2008 04:16 
    We should probably track the conformance part of this as a new proposal.

We should also probably, perhaps with Patrick's assistance, see if there 
are multiple synonyms which mean the same thing, and which should be 
regularized.

I'm thinking implementation-defined, application-defined, vendor-defined, 
implementation specific, implementation dependent, etc.  I'm assuming 
these are not all subtly different in intent but represent the same thing.

-Rob

"Dennis E. Hamilton"


  • 5.  Re: [office] preferred view mode upon opening document

    Posted 10-31-2008 11:23 
    Rob,

robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
> We should probably track the conformance part of this as a new proposal.
>
> We should also probably, perhaps with Patrick's assistance, see if there 
> are multiple synonyms which mean the same thing, and which should be 
> regularized.
>
>   
I hadn't thought about it until this came up, but yes, we have various 
terms, not just in the prose but in the markup as well. Can't help the 
markup, and be backwards compatible but we can fix the prose.
> I'm thinking implementation-defined, application-defined, vendor-defined, 
> implementation specific, implementation dependent, etc.  I'm assuming 
> these are not all subtly different in intent but represent the same thing.
>
>   
I did a quick run on the text and I suspect that to be the case. Would 
have to actually compare all of them to say for sure but I think it 
would make a reasonable starting assumption and the basis for choosing 
one expression over another. If we run into one that is truly different, 
then it could simply remain the same.

Hope you are looking forward to a great weekend!

Patrick
> -Rob
>
> "Dennis E. Hamilton"


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