OASIS Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) TC

Open Document Format TC meeting minutes 2012-08-13 =============================================== *9:35 EDT +Andreas Guelzow +Cherie Ekholm +Ming Fei Jia +Oliver-Rainer Wittmann +Patrick Durusau Peter Rakyta +Robert Weir +Robin LaFontaine +Svante Schubert Voting Members are indicated with a + before their name 8/15 voting members present = 53%, so quorum requirements were met. Membership notes:  Peter Rakyta gains voting rights.  Camilla Boemann, Steven Pemberton and Thorsten Zachmann lose  voting rights - Add discussion of next CT SC meeting, and as amended agenda was approved - Minutes of August 6th approved by unanimous consent - Rob will send out new meeting invites per the suggested Standard Time treatment of: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/201208/msg00023.html - The TC agreed on having a Change Tracking Subcommittee call on Sept 3rd at 1330 UTC - Discussion on ODF 1.3 and what will be required to get to CD01. *Adjourned 10:14 EDT

On Monday 17 September 2012 09:31:45 robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote: > Open Document Format TC meeting minutes 2012-08-13 > =============================================== > > *9:35 EDT > > +Andreas Guelzow > +Cherie Ekholm > +Ming Fei Jia > +Oliver-Rainer Wittmann > +Patrick Durusau > Peter Rakyta > +Robert Weir > +Robin LaFontaine > +Svante Schubert > > Voting Members are indicated with a + before their name > > 8/15 voting members present = 53%, so quorum requirements were met. > > Membership notes: Peter Rakyta gains voting rights. Camilla Boemann, > Steven Pemberton and Thorsten Zachmann lose voting rights > > - Add discussion of next CT SC meeting, and as amended agenda was approved > > - Minutes of August 6th approved by unanimous consent > > - Rob will send out new meeting invites per the suggested Standard Time > treatment of: > > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/201208/msg00023.html > > - The TC agreed on having a Change Tracking Subcommittee call on Sept 3rd > at 1330 UTC > > - Discussion on ODF 1.3 and what will be required to get to CD01. > > *Adjourned 10:14 EDT Uhm I sent my regrets for that meeting over a month ago, so I thought that would prevent me from losing my voting rights?

On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 01:41 -0600, C. Boemann wrote: > Uhm I sent my regrets for that meeting over a month ago, so I thought that > would prevent me from losing my voting rights? "Regrets" are just nice.... to preserve your voting rights you need to ask for a leave of absence, see https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#leavesAbsence Andreas -- Andreas J. Guelzow, PhD, FTICA Concordia University College of Alberta Attachment: signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

On Monday 17 September 2012 09:47:56 Andreas J. Guelzow wrote: > On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 01:41 -0600, C. Boemann wrote: > > Uhm I sent my regrets for that meeting over a month ago, so I thought > > that would prevent me from losing my voting rights? > > "Regrets" are just nice.... to preserve your voting rights you need to > ask for a leave of absence, see > https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#leavesAbsence > > Andreas Thanks but I can't help feeling this is bureaucratic nonsense just because I didn't put the right words in that mail. Oh well it's not like we vote often enough to make it important to me. Camilla

Camilla, On 12-09-17, at 03:57 , C. Boemann <cbo@boemann.dk> wrote: > On Monday 17 September 2012 09:47:56 Andreas J. Guelzow wrote: >> On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 01:41 -0600, C. Boemann wrote: >>> Uhm I sent my regrets for that meeting over a month ago, so I thought >>> that would prevent me from losing my voting rights? >> >> "Regrets" are just nice.... to preserve your voting rights you need to >> ask for a leave of absence, see >> https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#leavesAbsence >> >> Andreas > Thanks but I can't help feeling this is bureaucratic nonsense just because I > didn't put the right words in that mail. > > Oh well it's not like we vote often enough to make it important to me. > One does not know where to begin with that attitude. I'lll presume you are joking but that there is an edge of truth. That said, I'd further the point by suggesting that the issue could be simply resolved by you proposing more things that we ought to vote on. For instance. Right now, we are actually having a somewhat interesting discussion on ODF's future and in particular how it relates to the XML file expressed but also how Change Tracking (CT) ought to work with the format. (There is, one might say, some idiosyncratic stuff there, along with some other code that could probably do with being cleaned up. But cleaning up here is another way of positing: Where do we want to go with ODF?) I'm also quite lame in my updates to this TC and also wonder even if it is still extant. Louis > Camilla > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: office-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > For additional commands, e-mail: office-help@lists.oasis-open.org >

On Tuesday 18 September 2012 05:59:39 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > Camilla, > > On 12-09-17, at 03:57 , C. Boemann <cbo@boemann.dk> wrote: > > On Monday 17 September 2012 09:47:56 Andreas J. Guelzow wrote: > >> On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 01:41 -0600, C. Boemann wrote: > >>> Uhm I sent my regrets for that meeting over a month ago, so I thought > >>> that would prevent me from losing my voting rights? > >> > >> "Regrets" are just nice.... to preserve your voting rights you need to > >> ask for a leave of absence, see > >> https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#leavesAbsence > >> > >> Andreas > > > > Thanks but I can't help feeling this is bureaucratic nonsense just > > because I didn't put the right words in that mail. > > > > Oh well it's not like we vote often enough to make it important to me. > > One does not know where to begin with that attitude. I'lll presume you are > joking but that there is an edge of truth. That said, I'd further the > point by suggesting that the issue could be simply resolved by you > proposing more things that we ought to vote on. > > For instance. Right now, we are actually having a somewhat interesting > discussion on ODF's future and in particular how it relates to the XML > file expressed but also how Change Tracking (CT) ought to work with the > format. (There is, one might say, some idiosyncratic stuff there, along > with some other code that could probably do with being cleaned up. But > cleaning up here is another way of positing: Where do we want to go with > ODF?) > > I'm also quite lame in my updates to this TC and also wonder even if it is > still extant. > > Louis > > > Camilla Hi Louis I'm sorry if you thought I complained about the frequency of votes. I have absolutely no problem with how we work and what we work on. All I meant was that since it only takes two meetings to regain my voting rights, I was not going to complain any more about the procedural bureaucracy of leave of absence. I'm well aware of what goes on, and in particular follow every mail on the CT sub list with great interest. I was on the CT select committee. You see this TC is important to me and I actually wrote a mail well in advance to say I couldn't attend two times. That the mail turned out to be in vain due to not having the right keyword was a bit of a surprise to me. Camilla

<office@lists.oasis-open.org> wrote on 09/18/2012 02:01:55 AM: > From: "C. Boemann" <cbo@boemann.dk> > To: office@lists.oasis-open.org, > Date: 09/18/2012 02:02 AM > Subject: Re: [office] Open Document Format TC meeting minutes > 2012-08-13 (corrected once) > Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org> > > On Tuesday 18 September 2012 05:59:39 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > > Camilla, > > > > On 12-09-17, at 03:57 , C. Boemann <cbo@boemann.dk> wrote: > > > On Monday 17 September 2012 09:47:56 Andreas J. Guelzow wrote: > > >> On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 01:41 -0600, C. Boemann wrote: > > >>> Uhm I sent my regrets for that meeting over a month ago, so I thought > > >>> that would prevent me from losing my voting rights? > > >> > > >> "Regrets" are just nice.... to preserve your voting rights you need to > > >> ask for a leave of absence, see > > >> https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#leavesAbsence > > >> > > >> Andreas > > > > > > Thanks but I can't help feeling this is bureaucratic nonsense just > > > because I didn't put the right words in that mail. > > > > > > Oh well it's not like we vote often enough to make it important to me. > > > > One does not know where to begin with that attitude. I'lll presume you are > > joking but that there is an edge of truth. That said, I'd further the > > point by suggesting that the issue could be simply resolved by you > > proposing more things that we ought to vote on. > > > > For instance. Right now, we are actually having a somewhat interesting > > discussion on ODF's future and in particular how it relates to the XML > > file expressed but also how Change Tracking (CT) ought to work with the > > format. (There is, one might say, some idiosyncratic stuff there, along > > with some other code that could probably do with being cleaned up. But > > cleaning up here is another way of positing: Where do we want to go with > > ODF?) > > > > I'm also quite lame in my updates to this TC and also wonder even if it is > > still extant. > > > > Louis > > > > > Camilla > Hi Louis > > I'm sorry if you thought I complained about the frequency of votes. I have > absolutely no problem with how we work and what we work on. All I meant was > that since it only takes two meetings to regain my voting rights, I was not > going to complain any more about the procedural bureaucracy of leave of > absence. > Hi Camilla, I see "regrets" as being a different thing, not a malformed version of a "leave of absence" request.  Maybe this is a social/cultural thing to which I am deaf.  I almost never see "regrets" notes in the US.  It seems to be more of a European thing.  So my interpretation of it may be imperfect.  But I read it as a courtesy notification that one will be unable to attend a meeting. A leave of absence, on the other hand, is defined by OASIS TC Process, and is a heavier weight thing.  It has specific notification requirements, including lead time.  And it can only be invoked once per year. Since voting rights are lost only with missing two consecutive meetings, there are cases where it would be pointless to treat "regrets" like a "leave of absence".  For example when a TC member misses a single meeting only.  But we regularly receive "regrets" posts for exactly that situation.  In fact if I automatically treated these as leave of absence requests then that would use up the 1-per-year allocation of LoA requests for that member, and that might not be what they intended. In any case, as you've noted, we're not voting on anything now or imminently.  There are only a handful of things the TC votes on, mainly to advance the specification from stage to stage, e.g., Working Draft to Committee Specification Draft.  I think in the lifetime of the TC we've only had 3 or 4 votes on specific technical issues.  Most of the times we're able to resolve any disputes by discussion and reach consensus, without resorting to a vote. Regards, -Rob > I'm well aware of what goes on, and in particular follow every mail on the CT > sub list with great interest. I was on the CT select committee. > > You see this TC is important to me and I actually wrote a mail well > in advance > to say I couldn't attend two times. That the mail turned out to be > in vain due > to not having the right keyword was a bit of a surprise to me. > > Camilla > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: office-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > For additional commands, e-mail: office-help@lists.oasis-open.org >

Am 18.09.2012 05:59, schrieb Louis Suárez-Potts: >> Thanks but I can't help feeling this is bureaucratic nonsense just because I >> didn't put the right words in that mail. >> >> Oh well it's not like we vote often enough to make it important to me. >> > One does not know where to begin with that attitude. With the Romans: Falsa demonstratio non nocet. > Right now, we are actually having a somewhat interesting discussion on ODF's future and in particular how it relates to the XML file expressed but also how Change Tracking (CT) ought to work with the format. > > I'm also quite lame in my updates to this TC and also wonder even if it is still extant. Given the pace of progress I sincerely hope the TC would amend its charter in a decent period of time to remove obsolete self-constraints. --- A

Apologies for missing today's meeting (that's Monday to you). I actually thought that this meeting had gone the way of the Dodo. But it seems that I was wrong and that it still has a special future. Louis On 12-09-17, at 03:31 , robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote: > Open Document Format TC meeting minutes 2012-08-13 > =============================================== > > *9:35 EDT > > +Andreas Guelzow > +Cherie Ekholm > +Ming Fei Jia > +Oliver-Rainer Wittmann > +Patrick Durusau > Peter Rakyta > +Robert Weir > +Robin LaFontaine > +Svante Schubert > > Voting Members are indicated with a + before their name > > 8/15 voting members present = 53%, so quorum requirements were met. > > Membership notes: Peter Rakyta gains voting rights. Camilla Boemann, Steven Pemberton and Thorsten Zachmann lose voting rights > > - Add discussion of next CT SC meeting, and as amended agenda was approved > > - Minutes of August 6th approved by unanimous consent > > - Rob will send out new meeting invites per the suggested Standard Time treatment of: > > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/201208/msg00023.html > > - The TC agreed on having a Change Tracking Subcommittee call on Sept 3rd at 1330 UTC > > - Discussion on ODF 1.3 and what will be required to get to CD01. > > *Adjourned 10:14 EDT