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OpenDocuemnt TC Coordination Call Minutes 2006-10-23

  • 1.  OpenDocuemnt TC Coordination Call Minutes 2006-10-23

    Posted 10-27-2006 15:44
    1. Rollcall
    
    Nathaniel Borenstein, IBM
    Yue Ma, IBM
    Robert Weir, IBM
    Helen Yue, IBM
    James Mason, ISO/IEC
    Patric Durusau
    David Faure, KDE
    Jody Goldberg, Novell
    Michael Brauer, Sun Microsystems
    Lars Oppermann, Sun Microsystems
    David A Wheeler, OpenDocument Foundation
    Bruce D'Arcus, OpenDocument Foundation
    Gary Edwards, OpenDocument Foundation
    
    2. Acceptance of Minutes from Last Call
    
    The attending TC members unanimously accepted the minutes from the last
    coordination call.
    
    3. Action item review
    michael: request CS ballot - done
    
    4. ODF 1.1
    Michael: spec was approved as committee spec. last week. I am currently
    finishing documents (providing various formats also HTML).
    ... full set will be ready tomorrow
    ... last week we learned from Peter K. that we should 1.1 an OASIS Std.
    We can only now make the formal decision as last week was a work call.
    Certification due end of November
    Proposal
    -Request submission ballot now
    -send out request for ballot by 15th of December (certifications required)
    -start OASIS ballot in mid January
    Alternative, wait with submission ballot until certifications are in
    Lars: certify first and vote afterwards sounds better to me
    Michael: doing the ballot now would send out a stronger message
    ... I can ask the people that are expected to provide certifications and
    we can set up the ballot once I have some positive reply from at least
    three parties.
    - so resolved
    
    4. ODF 1.2 planning
    three open issues for discussion:
    1. should the specification be divided into parts?
    ... advantage to formally approve independent parts when they are ready
    ... possible parts are formulas and packages also
    Lars: how about metadata?
    Bruce: could be
    Michael: is also an option
    Michael: I can discuss the technical details about subdividing the spec
    with Mary. She already indicated that we should maintain some sort of
    frameworks that makes it very clear which parts are part of an actual
    standard
    DavidW: would a possibility be, to declare an opendocument version as
    the collection of particular part revisions.
    Michael: not sure whether we can have a public review of the full spec
    and the parts separately.
    Lars: we should have a review for an umbrella document that says which
    parts belong together forming a particular ODF version
    Lars: if need be, parts could even be made into separate OASIS specs
    DavidW: we can try to make sure that documents are written in a way that
    this is possible.
    Michael: how large is the formula specification right now
    David: +200-300 pages? (349)
    Michael: James, Patrick, can you say which is better for ISO
    (James: we are getting very large documents these days)
    David: it's also easier, to update a part vs. the whole specification
    Michael: from a maintainability perspective parts are also easier to
    handle. Two or three parts, making up ODF 1.2
    ... we could also conduct public reviews independently if we make clear
    that it is not the full spec but rather a part
    ... for example for something new like formula it can be benficial to
    review it earlier as there might be more comments to such new work.
    ... I will try to confirm what our options are in this matter with
    OASIS/Mary
    
    5. schedule for 1.2
    Michael: was discussed last week. I checked how much time is required
    between phases. I posted the resulting schedule last Friday. It forsees
    working on the spec until January. After that two month of editing and
    stabilizing.
    could be approved as CD in April
    Public review in May/June
    Takes two month top process public review results and prepare documents
    for OASIS standard submission -> Jul/Aug
    OASIS Std ballot would be in Sept/Nov
    DavidW: what about the ISO reformatting, is that included in that schedule
    Michael: yes, it would be one of the first editorial tasks
    DavidW: How will that reformatting effect the work of the formula SC, we
    have a large document and I would like to have the information on how
    that needs to be formatted so it doesn't cause too much delay.
    Patrick: there are some templates
    DavidW: are we looking mostly at margins, fon-sizes...?
    Michael: I assume that it is relatively easy
    DavidW: if the format is going to change, is there a way to make it
    easier, someone ought to figure out what particularly needs to be done
    Michael: I will do that and tell you (and the other SCs) as soon as I
    found out what needs to be done...
    Michael: we cannot vote on the final schedule until we know what actualy
    is to go into the specification
    ... However we should at least commit to this initial schedule of
    standardizing ODF 1.2
    objections? comments?
    DavidW: what exactly are we agreeing to
    Michael: basically the time line that I sent to the list
    Bruce: would the deadline for proposal than be end of January
    Michael: yes, that would be the latest date to consider proposals that
    are not breaking compatibility
    Bruce: can you follow up with more detailed guidelines on what
    breaking-compatibility means?
    Michael: basically. when a 1.2 document is opened in a 1.1 application,
    the features that were already in 1.1 should be preserved...
    
    - call ends
    
    Next meeting:
    Work call 2006-10-30, 4:00PM-5:00PM UTC (Not that both Europe and the US 
    are getting back on standard time on Sunday Oct. 29th, we are hence 
    still at 5PM CET, 11AM East and 8AM Pacific)
    
    -- 
    Lars Oppermann