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Subject: Re: [office] XMP XML:RDF Metadata
Rob,
I agree to your position. In fact, we agreed to add the document to our
document section and to ask for feedback on our normal channels.
I have uploaded the document to our document section now, and I will announce
it on our mailing list in a few minutes.
Michael
robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote On 11/15/05 16:18,:
>
> I'm confused.
>
> OpenDocument is an OASIS specification, so I'd expect the technical
> refinement of the specification to occur under OASIS. I would not
> expect that outside, ad-hoc groups would set up technical reviews with
> the participation of TC members outside of TC processes and policies.
> Doing so would seem to diminish whatever advantage we have for
> promoting a standard developed within a legitimate standards body.
> Remember, even Microsoft can do as much as set up a Wiki and invite
> some experts to develop a specification. But this falls short of doing
> it in an international recognized standards body, with defined policies
> for decision making, IPR, public comment, liaison with other standards
> bodies, etc.
>
> So let's be quite clear about what were talking about here. Are we
> soliciting public comment on the meta data draft? If so, let's put it
> out for public comment via normal channels, so everyone (not just
> OpenDocument Fellowship) is aware of it and has a fair opportunity to
> provide comment. But I'd personally be very careful about TC members
> refining an existing proposal in a different organization under
> uncertain or incompatible IPR policies which may not allow
> reincorporation into the OASIS ODF specification. Better, in my
> opinion, to let the public review and provide comments, and if they want
> to submit a revised proposal, let them do so according to existing policy.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> *Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg <Michael.Brauer@Sun.COM>*
>
> 11/15/2005 09:30 AM
>
>
> To
> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> cc
> "'Gary Edwards'" <gary.edwards@OpenStack.us>, "'Office, OASIS'"
> <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Subject
> Re: [office] XMP XML:RDF Metadata
>
>
>
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>
>
> Hi Mary,
> Hi everyone,
>
> Mary McRae wrote On 11/15/05 14:01,:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I tried to dial in yesterday and unfortunately couldn't get
> through. I'm sorry to have missed the call. It's unclear to me
> > exactly what is being proposed here. Is the metadata project still
> considered a work item of the TC? If the answer is yes, all work
>
> Yes. The metadata project is still considered a work item of the TC.
> What we
> have a agreed yesterday was that we put the current meta data proposal
> on our
> TC's web site and ask for feedback until December, the 19th. We urther
> agreed to discuss the feedback we receive in the conference call of
> December,
> the 19th. There was no decission to continue the meta data work item
> somewhere outside the OpenDocument TC.
>
> > must be done within the OASIS framework. I know the TC has several
> other very pressing issues to settle (accessibility, DRM,
> > formulas, etc.) so maybe the decision was made not to undertake this
> work item?
>
> The TC's decission was to postpone the meta data discussion until we have
> restructured the TC in a way that allows us to discuss the additional
> topics,
> that have a higher priority for the moment, and to use the time to get
> feedback for the proposal. There was no decission to cancel the the meta
> data
> work item.
>
> I therefore think that the TC is in agreement that the meta data work item
> will be continued within the TC. Feedback to the TC's work is, as always,
> welcome.
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mary
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Gary Edwards [mailto:gary.edwards@OpenStack.us]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:05 AM
> >>To: Office, OASIS
> >>Subject: [office] XMP XML:RDF Metadata
> >>
> >>Hi ODF,
> >>
> >>Following this mornings conference call i sent Florian's
> >>XML:RDF proposal to Bruce D'Arcus. He set up a Metadata
> >>Project hosted by the OpenDocument Fellowship. There is a
> >>discussion list and a wiki to interactively build on the
> >>proposal Lars and Florian have spent so much time on.
> >>
> >>Bruce was able to enlist the services of the W3C - XML dev
> >>gang that first advised us on XML:RDF. And guess what? They
> >>are back at it.
> >>Tread lightly, the fur is flying. The ODF Fellowship
> >>volunteers will set about the task of beating the bushes for
> >>interested participants, and getting the word out that this
> >>is a high priority project needing high level participants.
> >>The volunteers will also handle project documentation and
> >>scarfing up needed resources. This is how the OpenFormula
> >>Project was brought back from the brink. Hopefully,
> >>lightning will strike twice. Even the legendary Daniel
> >>Volgelheim has been dragooned into joining the effort. Who
> >>would believe it?
> >>
> >>What the project really needs is the direct participation of
> >>Lars, Florian, and Patrick Durusau. We also need the Adobe
> >>experts to get directly involved. I'll ping Duane about
> >>that. My guess is that Duane is now a father and quite busy
> >>with the world's first little OpenDoc'er
> >>:) Let's hope all is well with Duane and his family.
> >>Meanwhile, Duane has left me with a list of Adobe experts,
> >>and i'll take on the task of inviting them to the project.
> >>
> >>One thing the project could use is a sense of what the TC
> >>would like them to produce. So if possible, if anyone has
> >>any thoughts on this, please jump in and help set the course
> >>for this effort. I think they're on the right track, but
> >>it's something the TC needs to keep a handle on. If you
> >>recall the eMail dump i did from the last go around with the
> >>W3C guys, you'll understand how important it is that we
> >>provide some clear objectives and parameters. (Like there
> >>won't be a new metadata model unless it meets the needs of
> >>the primary applications represented on the TC :)
> >>
> >>You can find the the MetaData Project at:
> >>http://opendocumentfellowship.org/Metadata/HomePage
> >>
> >>The listserve is at:
> >>List name: odf-metadata@opendocumentfellowship.org
> >><mailto:odf-metadata@opendocumentfellowship.org>
> >>Subscribe: odf-metadata-subscribe@opendocumentfellowship.org
> >><mailto:odf-metadata-subscribe@opendocumentfellowship.org>
> >>
> >>Hope this helps,
> >>~ge~
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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