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  • 1.  Do we need reserves?

    Posted 10-28-2010 21:30

    Ed C and I were comparing notes this afternoon, and it struck me that Reserves are just Options.

    Recall that the core EMIX types are Emix, Options, and Resources. All three of them have a  Product as one of their elements. I got to wondering whether Option, whose current definition is that from the CIM, and reserves are the same.

    A reserve is a promise to respond  if asked within a certain time frame. If that promise is made by a slow starting generator, then it cannot make that promise unless it is already spinning. Hence the term Spin-Reserve.

    An option is a promise to sell a product at a set price, if asked within a period. The CIM option includes a response time to provide the product.

    I think that all the reserves are *really* Option Products. The difference between Spinning Reserve, Non-Spinning Reserve, and Operating Reserve is the warranted response  time within the option.  Options currently do not have a start time or duration in our schema. Clearly they must have a scheduled duration, unless they are eternal.

    I think options could have their own WS-Calendar sequence, fully scheduled. That sequence could be a single interval. (This generator is spinning reserve for the rest of the day.) It could be a set of intervals. (Weekdays from 11:00 to 6:00 for the next month, this generator promises to respond in 10 minutes to provide 50 MW of power for up to 5 hours) The 50MW of power for up 5 hours is the Product. The Response time is the optionExcerciseLeadTime as defined in the CIM Option we already have. Weekdays from 11:00 to 6:00 for the next month is simply a Sequence.

    This approach converts all reserves into classes of options, some for different products…

    Please discuss.

    tc


    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it” -- Upton Sinclair.


    Toby Considine
    TC9, Inc

    OASIS Technical Advisory Board
    TC Chair: oBIX & WS-Calendar

    TC Editor: EMIX, EnergyInterop

    U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee

      

    Email: Toby.Considine@gmail.com
    Phone: (919)619-2104

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  • 2.  RE: [emix] Do we need reserves?

    Posted 10-28-2010 23:52

    I agree, though in a grand sense, everything above base load is an option/reserve of some sort.  The biggest issue for most consumers of these Options will be if they are there reliably in sufficient quantity.  I’m referring to NERC/FERC reliability requirements and to the ongoing debate whether DR resources can be counted as reliability reserves for purposes of NERC reporting.  Is there a situation where something is an Option, but that Option does not have the option (little o) of not being there?

    DR can be managed statistically, and generators are considered more reliable that they often are.  However, reliability rules as constituted might require such Options have a tag about whether they are physical or statistical.  The use would be for compliance rather than actual practice.

    Phil Davis

    From: Toby Considine [mailto:tobyconsidine@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Toby Considine
    Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:30 PM
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    Subject: [emix] Do we need reserves?

    Ed C and I were comparing notes this afternoon, and it struck me that Reserves are just Options.

    Recall that the core EMIX types are Emix, Options, and Resources. All three of them have a  Product as one of their elements. I got to wondering whether Option, whose current definition is that from the CIM, and reserves are the same.

    A reserve is a promise to respond  if asked within a certain time frame. If that promise is made by a slow starting generator, then it cannot make that promise unless it is already spinning. Hence the term Spin-Reserve.

    An option is a promise to sell a product at a set price, if asked within a period. The CIM option includes a response time to provide the product.

    I think that all the reserves are *really* Option Products. The difference between Spinning Reserve, Non-Spinning Reserve, and Operating Reserve is the warranted response  time within the option.  Options currently do not have a start time or duration in our schema. Clearly they must have a scheduled duration, unless they are eternal.

    I think options could have their own WS-Calendar sequence, fully scheduled. That sequence could be a single interval. (This generator is spinning reserve for the rest of the day.) It could be a set of intervals. (Weekdays from 11:00 to 6:00 for the next month, this generator promises to respond in 10 minutes to provide 50 MW of power for up to 5 hours) The 50MW of power for up 5 hours is the Product. The Response time is the optionExcerciseLeadTime as defined in the CIM Option we already have. Weekdays from 11:00 to 6:00 for the next month is simply a Sequence.

    This approach converts all reserves into classes of options, some for different products…

    Please discuss.

    tc


    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it” -- Upton Sinclair.


    Toby Considine
    TC9, Inc

    OASIS Technical Advisory Board
    TC Chair: oBIX & WS-Calendar

    TC Editor: EMIX, EnergyInterop

    U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee

      

    Email: Toby.Considine@gmail.com
    Phone: (919)619-2104

    http://www.tcnine.com/
    blog: www.NewDaedalus.com


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  • 3.  RE: [emix] Do we need reserves?

    Posted 10-29-2010 16:03
    Toby,
    
    Ancillary Services are defined as products in the CIM and in wholesale markets that I'm aware of.  I don't see what we gain out of this re-definition.  You could make the argument sure, but to what ends?  Does it help?
    
    Sean
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    From: Toby Considine [tobyconsidine@gmail.com] on behalf of Toby Considine [Toby.Considine@gmail.com]
    Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:29 PM
    To: emix@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [emix] Do we need reserves?
    
    Ed C and I were comparing notes this afternoon, and it struck me that Reserves are just Options.
    
    Recall that the core EMIX types are Emix, Options, and Resources. All three of them have a  Product as one of their elements. I got to wondering whether Option, whose current definition is that from the CIM, and reserves are the same.
    
    A reserve is a promise to respond  if asked within a certain time frame. If that promise is made by a slow starting generator, then it cannot make that promise unless it is already spinning. Hence the term Spin-Reserve.
    
    An option is a promise to sell a product at a set price, if asked within a period. The CIM option includes a response time to provide the product.
    
    I think that all the reserves are *really* Option Products. The difference between Spinning Reserve, Non-Spinning Reserve, and Operating Reserve is the warranted response  time within the option.  Options currently do not have a start time or duration in our schema. Clearly they must have a scheduled duration, unless they are eternal.
    
    I think options could have their own WS-Calendar sequence, fully scheduled. That sequence could be a single interval. (This generator is spinning reserve for the rest of the day.) It could be a set of intervals. (Weekdays from 11:00 to 6:00 for the next month, this generator promises to respond in 10 minutes to provide 50 MW of power for up to 5 hours) The 50MW of power for up 5 hours is the Product. The Response time is the optionExcerciseLeadTime as defined in the CIM Option we already have. Weekdays from 11:00 to 6:00 for the next month is simply a Sequence.
    
    This approach converts all reserves into classes of options, some for different products…
    
    Please discuss.
    
    tc
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    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it” -- Upton Sinclair.
    ________________________________
    Toby Considine
    TC9, Inc
    OASIS Technical Advisory Board
    TC Chair: oBIX & WS-Calendar
    TC Editor: EMIX, EnergyInterop
    U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee
    
    
    
    
    Email: Toby.Considine@gmail.com


  • 4.  RE: [emix] Do we need reserves?

    Posted 10-29-2010 17:20
    Well, simplifying and reducing the number of objects is always a good thing.
    I actually posed the same question to the MEM team inside TC57 this morning,
    and if we make that move, it would be in synchrony with movement in the
    Market Interfaces of the CIM, which is being worked on right now. We are
    exchanging our ideas, trying to bring them together.
    
    The alignment of Reserve products and of and of Options is fairly natural.
    When discussed in market terms, a paid agreement to be ready to provide an
    agreed service at an agreed price (even if that price is agreed to be market
    price) is exactly what an option is.
    
    Still, as before:
    
    Tender proffered displaying capabilities.
    Contract to provide scheduled product during contract window
    Performance call specifying [run time] and start 
    
    I am thinking that if I do merge reserves / options, that we need to add an
    enumeration to the Options object, so you can easily filter for the extant
    "Spin Reserve" option contracts.
    
    tc
    
    "If something is not worth doing, it`s not worth doing well" - Peter Drucker
    
    Toby Considine
    TC9, Inc
    TC Chair: oBIX & WS-Calendar
    TC Editor: EMIX, EnergyInterop
    U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee
    
      
    Email: Toby.Considine@gmail.com
    Phone: (919)619-2104
    http://www.tcnine.com/
    blog: www.NewDaedalus.com