OASIS Transformational Government Framework TC

Jenny Thanks for this further information. Given what you have said about the focus of the SEED Framework ("it is a recommendation on how to transform citizen engagement that would achieve not just organizational, government efficiency and crowd sourcing innovation but for global happiness noted by the UN secretary for sustainable development.") then I have to say we are on exactly the same page. The TGF is a complete framework for the delivery of citizen centric services by government using whatever technologies and channels are most effective. It is a complete governance model that builds on the experiences of the last ten years of e-government efforts but seeks to correct most of the mistakes of those efforts whilst at the same time embracing the good practices that have emerged through those programmes. I think if we sat down and did a complete comparison we could map a lot of what is in your document to what is in our framework, albeit we both are perhaps using different terminology in places and we avoid making hard recommendations on any particular technologies. But I do think our framework goes somewhat wider than yours and goes into areas of governance, business management and service delivery that you do not address but please do not take that as a criticism in any way. So how do we take forward any collaboration? We could each continue our own strands of work whilst publically acknowledging the areas of commonality. This might be an easy route but as usual with multiple standards efforts it would confuse the market place and end-users by having "competing" initiatives. The ideal from my perspective would be for you to bring your work into my OASIS Technical Committee and we then work towards integrating it fully into the TGF. We are liaising with a number of other initiatives and in a similar way to yourselves are trying to pull all like-minded work together into one framework rather than having disparate pieces of work. That is not to say we are better than you or anybody else, but so far we do appear to have the widest focus and now have an agreed standard, built by global experienced practitioners, and we believe we can accommodate other initiatives or the TGF can be easily extended to do so. I should add that our target is to take the TGF into ISO at some stage in the not too distant future. If you do not wish to go that far, ie joining up on future development work, then I'm sure there are some intermediate options that we could consider. With regard to your planned workshop I will do my best to get one of my committee to attend and present on the TGF if that will help? Maybe the next step is to set up a conference call to discuss all this in more detail? Regards John   m. +(0)44 7976 157745 Skype:  gov3john

FYI - there may be a new membership coming... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:36 AM Subject: [tgf] RE: Transformation Government and Cloud models - Introductions To: jenny@ifossfoundation.org Cc: neil.mcevoy@l5consulting.net, TGF TC List <tgf@lists.oasis-open.org> Jenny Thanks for this further information. Given what you have said about the focus of the SEED Framework ("it is a recommendation on how to transform citizen engagement that would achieve not just organizational, government efficiency and crowd sourcing innovation but for global happiness noted by the UN secretary for sustainable development.") then I have to say we are on exactly the same page. The TGF is a complete framework for the delivery of citizen centric services by government using whatever technologies and channels are most effective. It is a complete governance model that builds on the experiences of the last ten years of e-government efforts but seeks to correct most of the mistakes of those efforts whilst at the same time embracing the good practices that have emerged through those programmes. I think if we sat down and did a complete comparison we could map a lot of what is in your document to what is in our framework, albeit we both are perhaps using different terminology in places and we avoid making hard recommendations on any particular technologies. But I do think our framework goes somewhat wider than yours and goes into areas of governance, business management and service delivery that you do not address but please do not take that as a criticism in any way. So how do we take forward any collaboration? We could each continue our own strands of work whilst publically acknowledging the areas of commonality. This might be an easy route but as usual with multiple standards efforts it would confuse the market place and end-users by having "competing" initiatives. The ideal from my perspective would be for you to bring your work into my OASIS Technical Committee and we then work towards integrating it fully into the TGF. We are liaising with a number of other initiatives and in a similar way to yourselves are trying to pull all like-minded work together into one framework rather than having disparate pieces of work. That is not to say we are better than you or anybody else, but so far we do appear to have the widest focus and now have an agreed standard, built by global experienced practitioners, and we believe we can accommodate other initiatives or the TGF can be easily extended to do so. I should add that our target is to take the TGF into ISO at some stage in the not too distant future. If you do not wish to go that far, ie joining up on future development work, then I'm sure there are some intermediate options that we could consider. With regard to your planned workshop I will do my best to get one of my committee to attend and present on the TGF if that will help? Maybe the next step is to set up a conference call to discuss all this in more detail? Regards John m. +(0)44 7976 157745 Skype: gov3john
Original Message----- From: Jenny Huang [ mailto:jenny@ifossfoundation.org ] Sent: 03 August 2012 16:04 To: John Borras Cc: neil.mcevoy@l5consulting.net; 'Chris Parker' Subject: Re: Transformation Government and Cloud models - Introductions Hi John, Thanks for taking the time on this. Currently, we are targeting a few SDOs to further explore the concept and development of the key components outlined in the paper, specifically the VDML, RuleML and API4KB in the Object Management Group, and process & benchmarking in some of the IT organizations working on service delivery and operational efficiency such as the TM Forum. As you may have noted, the SEED Framework is beyond best practices and technology advancement; it is a recommendation on how to transform citizen engagement that would achieve not just organizational, government efficiency and crowdsourcing innovation but for global happiness noted by the UN secretary for sustainable development. Currently, the most prominent transformation opportunities are Cloud, hope this bigger picture of SEED Framework would provide some insights to the journey in transformation. Personally, I'm interested in your feedback on 1) relevance to the TGF work 2) joint development opportunities with other SDOs. We plan to organize a workshop co-locate with the OMG meeting later this year to invite relevant SDOs, community projects, technologists to chart a roadmap; we are open to other suggestions. A more refined version of the paper is here: http://ifossf.org/files/SEEDFramework-ConceptPaper.pdf Regards, Jenny On 8/3/2012 3:42 AM, John Borras wrote: > Hi Neil and Jenny > > Thanks for the opportunity to consider possible collaboration. As a > first step I'd be interested to hear more about what you have in mind > for the final bullet of your Next Steps Recommendation, perhaps you > could expand on what you are looking for in relation to working with a SDO on this? > > I should point out that our Transformational Government Framework is > about much more than just good Cloud based models but it does seem at > a first read of your document that there are several aspects where we > could look to complement each other's work. > > I'm copying in Chris Parker, who is the chief architect of our TGF > model, to get his views on potential areas of collaboration. > > Perhaps when we each have understood each other's focus a bit more we > could set up a call to discuss possible ways forward. > > > Regards > John Borras > > Chair OASIS TGF Technical Committee > > m. +(0)44 7976 157745 > Skype: gov3john > www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=tgf > > >