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  • 1.  RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft

    Posted 02-16-2012 20:23
    Ø   Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Notification of the public review will be sent by the TC admin to the OASIS Membership list (which is public).  In addition, if you want to include any external parties in the public review notification, please provide them (on this thread).   Thanks.   From: Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:00 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   As we discussed during the TC meeting  today, here is the timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft of the specification: ·        Feb 14 o    Chairs will provide instructions to the editors to prepare the CSD (Committee Specification Draft) and CSDPRD (Committee Specification Public Review Draft) packages [DONE]. ·        No later than Feb 17 th o    Editors will upload the CSD and CSDPRD packages to the TC document repository. o    Chairs will post to the TC mailing list the text of the CSD and CSPRD approval motion. ·        Feb 17 th through Feb 20 th o    Review the CSD and CSDPRD packages with OASIS TC administrator (Chet). ·        Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Any questions on the timeline?   Thanks.  


  • 2.  RE: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft

    Posted 02-16-2012 20:56
    Please copy the public review notice to: dev@qpid.apache.org   Thanks, -Steve   From: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:amqp@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Cc: Angus R Telfer (art@inetco.com) Subject: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Ø   Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Notification of the public review will be sent by the TC admin to the OASIS Membership list (which is public).  In addition, if you want to include any external parties in the public review notification, please provide them (on this thread).   Thanks.   From: Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:00 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   As we discussed during the TC meeting  today, here is the timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft of the specification: ·          Feb 14 o    Chairs will provide instructions to the editors to prepare the CSD (Committee Specification Draft) and CSDPRD (Committee Specification Public Review Draft) packages [DONE]. ·          No later than Feb 17 th o    Editors will upload the CSD and CSDPRD packages to the TC document repository. o    Chairs will post to the TC mailing list the text of the CSD and CSPRD approval motion. ·          Feb 17 th through Feb 20 th o    Review the CSD and CSDPRD packages with OASIS TC administrator (Chet). ·          Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Any questions on the timeline?   Thanks.  


  • 3.  Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft

    Posted 02-17-2012 08:21
    Can we also tweet a link as #amqp ? And also can we send it to the various google groups that have some interest. And, in the spirit of openness, a link to the MQTT google group, just so IBM gets the message... Raphael Cohn Chief Architect, StormMQ Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard raphael.cohn@StormMQ.com StormMQ Limited UK Office: Gateshead int'l Business Centre, Mulgrave Terrace, Gateshead, NE8 1AN, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567 Registered office: 16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657 StormMQ.com On 16 February 2012 20:56, Steve Huston < shuston@riverace.com > wrote: Please copy the public review notice to: dev@qpid.apache.org   Thanks, -Steve   From: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Cc: Angus R Telfer ( art@inetco.com ) Subject: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Ø   Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Notification of the public review will be sent by the TC admin to the OASIS Membership list (which is public).  In addition, if you want to include any external parties in the public review notification, please provide them (on this thread).   Thanks.   From: Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:00 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   As we discussed during the TC meeting  today, here is the timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft of the specification: ·          Feb 14 o    Chairs will provide instructions to the editors to prepare the CSD (Committee Specification Draft) and CSDPRD (Committee Specification Public Review Draft) packages [DONE]. ·          No later than Feb 17 th o    Editors will upload the CSD and CSDPRD packages to the TC document repository. o    Chairs will post to the TC mailing list the text of the CSD and CSPRD approval motion. ·          Feb 17 th through Feb 20 th o    Review the CSD and CSDPRD packages with OASIS TC administrator (Chet). ·          Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Any questions on the timeline?   Thanks.  


  • 4.  Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft

    Posted 02-17-2012 09:16
    Why is this now of interest to IBM when it wasn't before? From: Raphael Cohn <raphael.cohn@stormmq.com> To: Steve Huston <shuston@riverace.com> Cc: Ram Jeyaraman <Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com>, amqp@lists.oasis-open.org, Angus R Telfer <art@inetco.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:21:09 AM Subject: Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft Can we also tweet a link as #amqp ? And also can we send it to the various google groups that have some interest. And, in the spirit of openness, a link to the MQTT google group, just so IBM gets the message... Raphael Cohn Chief Architect, StormMQ Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard raphael.cohn@StormMQ.com StormMQ Limited UK Office: Gateshead int'l Business Centre, Mulgrave Terrace, Gateshead, NE8 1AN, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567 Registered office: 16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657 StormMQ.com On 16 February 2012 20:56, Steve Huston < shuston@riverace.com > wrote: Please copy the public review notice to: dev@qpid.apache.org   Thanks, -Steve   From: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Cc: Angus R Telfer ( art@inetco.com ) Subject: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Ø   Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Notification of the public review will be sent by the TC admin to the OASIS Membership list (which is public).  In addition, if you want to include any external parties in the public review notification, please provide them (on this thread).   Thanks.   From: Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:00 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   As we discussed during the TC meeting  today, here is the timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft of the specification: ·          Feb 14 o    Chairs will provide instructions to the editors to prepare the CSD (Committee Specification Draft) and CSDPRD (Committee Specification Public Review Draft) packages [DONE]. ·          No later than Feb 17 th o    Editors will upload the CSD and CSDPRD packages to the TC document repository. o    Chairs will post to the TC mailing list the text of the CSD and CSPRD approval motion. ·          Feb 17 th through Feb 20 th o    Review the CSD and CSDPRD packages with OASIS TC administrator (Chet). ·          Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Any questions on the timeline?   Thanks.  


  • 5.  RE: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft

    Posted 02-17-2012 15:24
    Oh, I trust IBM got the memo on AMQP. They’re aware. The only reason to post to the mqtt group is if there’s an AMQP-MQTT interop story, and it’s not ready. Yet ;-) -Steve   From: Alexis Richardson [mailto:arichardson@vmware.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:16 AM To: Raphael Cohn Cc: Ram Jeyaraman; amqp@lists.oasis-open.org; Angus R Telfer; Steve Huston Subject: Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Why is this now of interest to IBM when it wasn't before?   From: "Raphael Cohn" < raphael.cohn@stormmq.com > To: "Steve Huston" < shuston@riverace.com > Cc: "Ram Jeyaraman" < Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com >, amqp@lists.oasis-open.org , "Angus R Telfer" < art@inetco.com > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:21:09 AM Subject: Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft Can we also tweet a link as #amqp ?   And also can we send it to the various google groups that have some interest.   And, in the spirit of openness, a link to the MQTT google group, just so IBM gets the message... Raphael Cohn Chief Architect, StormMQ Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard raphael.cohn@StormMQ.com StormMQ Limited UK Office: Gateshead int'l Business Centre, Mulgrave Terrace, Gateshead, NE8 1AN, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567 Registered office: 16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657 StormMQ.com On 16 February 2012 20:56, Steve Huston < shuston@riverace.com > wrote: Please copy the public review notice to: dev@qpid.apache.org   Thanks, -Steve   From: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Cc: Angus R Telfer ( art@inetco.com ) Subject: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Ø   Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Notification of the public review will be sent by the TC admin to the OASIS Membership list (which is public).  In addition, if you want to include any external parties in the public review notification, please provide them (on this thread).   Thanks.   From: Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:00 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   As we discussed during the TC meeting  today, here is the timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft of the specification: ·          Feb 14 o    Chairs will provide instructions to the editors to prepare the CSD (Committee Specification Draft) and CSDPRD (Committee Specification Public Review Draft) packages [DONE]. ·          No later than Feb 17 th o    Editors will upload the CSD and CSDPRD packages to the TC document repository. o    Chairs will post to the TC mailing list the text of the CSD and CSPRD approval motion. ·          Feb 17 th through Feb 20 th o    Review the CSD and CSDPRD packages with OASIS TC administrator (Chet). ·          Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Any questions on the timeline?   Thanks.      


  • 6.  Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft

    Posted 02-17-2012 15:27
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    MQTT interop == 8 weeks work. Who wants to pay us to do it? (;-) BTW, I've attached a whitepaper on MQTT vs AMQP... Let's get 1-0 out the door, because it's floor-wiping time. Raphael Cohn Chief Architect, StormMQ Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard raphael.cohn@StormMQ.com StormMQ Limited UK Office: Gateshead int'l Business Centre, Mulgrave Terrace, Gateshead, NE8 1AN, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567 Registered office: 16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657 StormMQ.com On 17 February 2012 15:24, Steve Huston < shuston@riverace.com > wrote: Oh, I trust IBM got the memo on AMQP. They’re aware. The only reason to post to the mqtt group is if there’s an AMQP-MQTT interop story, and it’s not ready. Yet ;-) -Steve   From: Alexis Richardson [mailto: arichardson@vmware.com ] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:16 AM To: Raphael Cohn Cc: Ram Jeyaraman; amqp@lists.oasis-open.org ; Angus R Telfer; Steve Huston Subject: Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Why is this now of interest to IBM when it wasn't before?   From: "Raphael Cohn" < raphael.cohn@stormmq.com > To: "Steve Huston" < shuston@riverace.com > Cc: "Ram Jeyaraman" < Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com >, amqp@lists.oasis-open.org , "Angus R Telfer" < art@inetco.com > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:21:09 AM Subject: Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft Can we also tweet a link as #amqp ?   And also can we send it to the various google groups that have some interest.   And, in the spirit of openness, a link to the MQTT google group, just so IBM gets the message... Raphael Cohn Chief Architect, StormMQ Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard raphael.cohn@StormMQ.com StormMQ Limited UK Office: Gateshead int'l Business Centre, Mulgrave Terrace, Gateshead, NE8 1AN, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567 Registered office: 16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657 StormMQ.com On 16 February 2012 20:56, Steve Huston < shuston@riverace.com > wrote: Please copy the public review notice to: dev@qpid.apache.org   Thanks, -Steve   From: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Cc: Angus R Telfer ( art@inetco.com ) Subject: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Ø   Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Notification of the public review will be sent by the TC admin to the OASIS Membership list (which is public).  In addition, if you want to include any external parties in the public review notification, please provide them (on this thread).   Thanks.   From: Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:00 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   As we discussed during the TC meeting  today, here is the timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft of the specification: ·          Feb 14 o    Chairs will provide instructions to the editors to prepare the CSD (Committee Specification Draft) and CSDPRD (Committee Specification Public Review Draft) packages [DONE]. ·          No later than Feb 17 th o    Editors will upload the CSD and CSDPRD packages to the TC document repository. o    Chairs will post to the TC mailing list the text of the CSD and CSPRD approval motion. ·          Feb 17 th through Feb 20 th o    Review the CSD and CSDPRD packages with OASIS TC administrator (Chet). ·          Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Any questions on the timeline?   Thanks.       Attachment: StormMQ WhitePaper - A Comparison of AMQP and MQTT.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document


  • 7.  RE: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft

    Posted 02-17-2012 15:29
    I’ll race you ;-)   From: Raphael Cohn [mailto:raphael.cohn@stormmq.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:27 AM To: Steve Huston Cc: Alexis Richardson; Ram Jeyaraman; amqp@lists.oasis-open.org; Angus R Telfer Subject: Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   MQTT interop == 8 weeks work. Who wants to pay us to do it? (;-)   BTW, I've attached a whitepaper on MQTT vs AMQP... Let's get 1-0 out the door, because it's floor-wiping time.   Raphael Cohn Chief Architect, StormMQ Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard raphael.cohn@StormMQ.com StormMQ Limited UK Office: Gateshead int'l Business Centre, Mulgrave Terrace, Gateshead, NE8 1AN, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567 Registered office: 16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657 StormMQ.com On 17 February 2012 15:24, Steve Huston < shuston@riverace.com > wrote: Oh, I trust IBM got the memo on AMQP. They’re aware. The only reason to post to the mqtt group is if there’s an AMQP-MQTT interop story, and it’s not ready. Yet ;-) -Steve   From: Alexis Richardson [mailto: arichardson@vmware.com ] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:16 AM To: Raphael Cohn Cc: Ram Jeyaraman; amqp@lists.oasis-open.org ; Angus R Telfer; Steve Huston Subject: Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Why is this now of interest to IBM when it wasn't before?   From: "Raphael Cohn" < raphael.cohn@stormmq.com > To: "Steve Huston" < shuston@riverace.com > Cc: "Ram Jeyaraman" < Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com >, amqp@lists.oasis-open.org , "Angus R Telfer" < art@inetco.com > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:21:09 AM Subject: Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft Can we also tweet a link as #amqp ?   And also can we send it to the various google groups that have some interest.   And, in the spirit of openness, a link to the MQTT google group, just so IBM gets the message... Raphael Cohn Chief Architect, StormMQ Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard raphael.cohn@StormMQ.com StormMQ Limited UK Office: Gateshead int'l Business Centre, Mulgrave Terrace, Gateshead, NE8 1AN, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567 Registered office: 16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657 StormMQ.com   On 16 February 2012 20:56, Steve Huston < shuston@riverace.com > wrote: Please copy the public review notice to: dev@qpid.apache.org   Thanks, -Steve   From: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Cc: Angus R Telfer ( art@inetco.com ) Subject: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Ø   Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Notification of the public review will be sent by the TC admin to the OASIS Membership list (which is public).  In addition, if you want to include any external parties in the public review notification, please provide them (on this thread).   Thanks.   From: Ram Jeyaraman Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:00 PM To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   As we discussed during the TC meeting  today, here is the timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft of the specification: ·          Feb 14 o    Chairs will provide instructions to the editors to prepare the CSD (Committee Specification Draft) and CSDPRD (Committee Specification Public Review Draft) packages [DONE]. ·          No later than Feb 17 th o    Editors will upload the CSD and CSDPRD packages to the TC document repository. o    Chairs will post to the TC mailing list the text of the CSD and CSPRD approval motion. ·          Feb 17 th through Feb 20 th o    Review the CSD and CSDPRD packages with OASIS TC administrator (Chet). ·          Feb 21 st o    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Any questions on the timeline?   Thanks.        


  • 8.  Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft

    Posted 02-17-2012 20:34
    Hi Alex, Good question...  I'm a bit of an outsider to the middleware messaging space so here's my take.... First, middleware messaging has been getting a lot more attention over the past couple of years. A lot of the talk about cloud scaleability includes talk about reliable messaging, brokers/queues, pub/sub, and all those other nice terms. As such, it's become a hot topic. Second, I believe some vendors (VMware in particular) have been doing a really good job of raising the visibility of middleware messaging ... AMQP in particular.  The activity/success of REST methods has also helped. Third, AMQP is beginning to be mentioned by end users and by analysts like Gartner. MQTT is an elegant little protocol from my perspective (as a networking/protocol person who has done sensor work).  I can't see it being viable for backbone work or in diverse environments, but I do see it as being a capable access mechanism to protocols (like AMQP) that would do the heavy lifting. Given that, is it worthwhile supporting MQTT as an access protocol if you already have AMQP 1.0 from a technical perspective?  Personally, I don't think so. The bandwidth/processing/memory efficiencies of MQTT over using AMQP 1.0 in a minimal mode is very small.  AMQP 1.0 also allows for easy incremental expansion of capabilities as required (with MQTT, what you get is all you get ... there are no expansion capabilities). On the the other hand, is it worth supporting MQTT from a sales/marketing perspective?  Good question.  If there is an MQTT aware sensor that you want to communicate with, then of course you'll do it.  Also, in some environments, perhaps MQTT can provide a bridge (although a very limited one) between AMQP 1.0 and the IBM proprietary protocols. Bottom line for me has always been ... I love protocols. There's so many out there I will always be in demand . MQTT may be minimal, but it's clean and well documented.  :-) cheers... angus On Feb-17-12, at 1:16 AM, Alexis Richardson wrote: Why is this now of interest to IBM when it wasn't before? From:   Raphael Cohn < raphael.cohn@stormmq.com > To:   Steve Huston < shuston@riverace.com > Cc:   Ram Jeyaraman < Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com >,   amqp@lists.oasis-open.org , Angus R Telfer < art@inetco.com > Sent:   Friday, February 17, 2012 8:21:09 AM Subject:   Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft Can we also tweet a link as #amqp ? And also can we send it to the various google groups that have some interest. And, in the spirit of openness, a link to the MQTT google group, just so IBM gets the message... Raphael Cohn Chief Architect, StormMQ Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard raphael.cohn@StormMQ.com StormMQ Limited UK Office:   Gateshead int'l Business Centre, Mulgrave Terrace, Gateshead, NE8 1AN, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567 Registered office: 16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657 StormMQ.com On 16 February 2012 20:56, Steve Huston   < shuston@riverace.com >   wrote: Please copy the public review notice to: dev@qpid.apache.org   Thanks, -Steve   From:   amqp@lists.oasis-open.org   [mailto: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org ]   On Behalf Of   Ram Jeyaraman Sent:   Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:23 PM To:   amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Cc:   Angus R Telfer ( art@inetco.com ) Subject:   [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Ø     Feb 21 st o      Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o      Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Notification of the public review will be sent by the TC admin to the OASIS Membership list (which is public).  In addition, if you want to include any external parties in the public review notification, please provide them (on this thread).   Thanks.   From:   Ram Jeyaraman   Sent:   Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:00 PM To:   amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Subject:   Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   As we discussed during the TC meeting  today, here is the timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft of the specification: ·            Feb 14 o      Chairs will provide instructions to the editors to prepare the CSD (Committee Specification Draft) and CSDPRD (Committee Specification Public Review Draft) packages [DONE]. ·            No later than Feb 17 th o      Editors will upload the CSD and CSDPRD packages to the TC document repository. o      Chairs will post to the TC mailing list the text of the CSD and CSPRD approval motion. ·            Feb 17 th   through Feb 20 th o      Review the CSD and CSDPRD packages with OASIS TC administrator (Chet). ·            Feb 21 st o      Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o      Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Any questions on the timeline?   Thanks.  


  • 9.  Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft

    Posted 02-17-2012 20:49
    I meant: why would doing anything make sure that IBM gets the message , as Raph put it. From: Angus Telfer <angus.telfer@inetco.com> To: Alexis Richardson <arichardson@vmware.com> Cc: Raphael Cohn <raphael.cohn@stormmq.com>, Ram Jeyaraman <Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com>, amqp@lists.oasis-open.org, Steve Huston <shuston@riverace.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:33:34 PM Subject: Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft Hi Alex, Good question...  I'm a bit of an outsider to the middleware messaging space so here's my take.... First, middleware messaging has been getting a lot more attention over the past couple of years. A lot of the talk about cloud scaleability includes talk about reliable messaging, brokers/queues, pub/sub, and all those other nice terms. As such, it's become a hot topic. Second, I believe some vendors (VMware in particular) have been doing a really good job of raising the visibility of middleware messaging ... AMQP in particular.  The activity/success of REST methods has also helped. Third, AMQP is beginning to be mentioned by end users and by analysts like Gartner. MQTT is an elegant little protocol from my perspective (as a networking/protocol person who has done sensor work).  I can't see it being viable for backbone work or in diverse environments, but I do see it as being a capable access mechanism to protocols (like AMQP) that would do the heavy lifting. Given that, is it worthwhile supporting MQTT as an access protocol if you already have AMQP 1.0 from a technical perspective?  Personally, I don't think so. The bandwidth/processing/memory efficiencies of MQTT over using AMQP 1.0 in a minimal mode is very small.  AMQP 1.0 also allows for easy incremental expansion of capabilities as required (with MQTT, what you get is all you get ... there are no expansion capabilities). On the the other hand, is it worth supporting MQTT from a sales/marketing perspective?  Good question.  If there is an MQTT aware sensor that you want to communicate with, then of course you'll do it.  Also, in some environments, perhaps MQTT can provide a bridge (although a very limited one) between AMQP 1.0 and the IBM proprietary protocols. Bottom line for me has always been ... I love protocols. There's so many out there I will always be in demand . MQTT may be minimal, but it's clean and well documented.  :-) cheers... angus On Feb-17-12, at 1:16 AM, Alexis Richardson wrote: Why is this now of interest to IBM when it wasn't before? From:   Raphael Cohn < raphael.cohn@stormmq.com > To:   Steve Huston < shuston@riverace.com > Cc:   Ram Jeyaraman < Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com >,   amqp@lists.oasis-open.org , Angus R Telfer < art@inetco.com > Sent:   Friday, February 17, 2012 8:21:09 AM Subject:   Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft Can we also tweet a link as #amqp ? And also can we send it to the various google groups that have some interest. And, in the spirit of openness, a link to the MQTT google group, just so IBM gets the message... Raphael Cohn Chief Architect, StormMQ Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard raphael.cohn@StormMQ.com StormMQ Limited UK Office:   Gateshead int'l Business Centre, Mulgrave Terrace, Gateshead, NE8 1AN, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567 Registered office: 16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657 StormMQ.com On 16 February 2012 20:56, Steve Huston   < shuston@riverace.com >   wrote: Please copy the public review notice to: dev@qpid.apache.org   Thanks, -Steve   From:   amqp@lists.oasis-open.org   [mailto: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org ]   On Behalf Of   Ram Jeyaraman Sent:   Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:23 PM To:   amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Cc:   Angus R Telfer ( art@inetco.com ) Subject:   [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   Ø     Feb 21 st o      Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o      Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Notification of the public review will be sent by the TC admin to the OASIS Membership list (which is public).  In addition, if you want to include any external parties in the public review notification, please provide them (on this thread).   Thanks.   From:   Ram Jeyaraman   Sent:   Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:00 PM To:   amqp@lists.oasis-open.org Subject:   Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft   As we discussed during the TC meeting  today, here is the timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft of the specification: ·            Feb 14 o      Chairs will provide instructions to the editors to prepare the CSD (Committee Specification Draft) and CSDPRD (Committee Specification Public Review Draft) packages [DONE]. ·            No later than Feb 17 th o      Editors will upload the CSD and CSDPRD packages to the TC document repository. o      Chairs will post to the TC mailing list the text of the CSD and CSPRD approval motion. ·            Feb 17 th   through Feb 20 th o      Review the CSD and CSDPRD packages with OASIS TC administrator (Chet). ·            Feb 21 st o      Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD. o      Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.   Any questions on the timeline?   Thanks.  


  • 10.  RE: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft

    Posted 02-17-2012 18:33




    Yes, you could forward the public review notification message, or a link to the message, to user groups; and tweet, etc.
     
    From: Raphael Cohn [mailto:raphael.cohn@stormmq.com]

    Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:21 AM
    To: Steve Huston
    Cc: Ram Jeyaraman; amqp@lists.oasis-open.org; Angus R Telfer
    Subject: Re: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft
     
    Can we also tweet a link as #amqp ?

     


    And also can we send it to the various google groups that have some interest.


     


    And, in the spirit of openness, a link to the MQTT google group, just so IBM gets the message...



    Raphael Cohn
    Chief Architect, StormMQ

    Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard
    raphael.cohn@StormMQ.com
    StormMQ Limited

    UK Office:
    Gateshead int'l Business Centre, Mulgrave Terrace, Gateshead, NE8 1AN, United Kingdom
    Telephone: +44 845 3712 567

    Registered office:
    16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom
    StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657
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    On 16 February 2012 20:56, Steve Huston < shuston@riverace.com > wrote:


    Please copy the public review notice to:
    dev@qpid.apache.org
     
    Thanks,
    -Steve
     



    From:
    amqp@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org ]
    On Behalf Of Ram Jeyaraman
    Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:23 PM
    To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org
    Cc: Angus R Telfer ( art@inetco.com )
    Subject: [amqp] RE: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft




     
    Ø  
    Feb 21 st
    o   
    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD.
    o   
    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.
     
    Notification of the public review will be sent by the TC admin to the OASIS Membership list (which is public).  In addition, if you want to include any external parties in the public
    review notification, please provide them (on this thread).
     
    Thanks.
     


    From: Ram Jeyaraman

    Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:00 PM
    To: amqp@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: Timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft


     
    As we discussed during the TC meeting  today, here is the timeline leading up to approval of Committee Specification Draft of the specification:
    ·         
    Feb 14
    o   
    Chairs will provide instructions to the editors to prepare the CSD (Committee Specification Draft) and CSDPRD (Committee Specification Public Review Draft) packages [DONE].
    ·         
    No later than Feb 17 th
    o   
    Editors will upload the CSD and CSDPRD packages to the TC document repository.
    o   
    Chairs will post to the TC mailing list the text of the CSD and CSPRD approval motion.
    ·         
    Feb 17 th through Feb 20 th
    o   
    Review the CSD and CSDPRD packages with OASIS TC administrator (Chet).
    ·         
    Feb 21 st
    o   
    Assuming everything goes well, TC is expected to close the remaining two open issues (AMQP-58 and AMQP-59) and approve CSD and CSPRD.
    o   
    Following approval, Chairs will work with TC admin to initiate public review. The public review is expected to begin in about 2 weeks following the CSD approval.
     
    Any questions on the timeline?
     
    Thanks.