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  • 1.  SV: [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order 2.0

    Posted 08-31-2006 16:51
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Hi Alan,
     
    I know that we have discussed that all document references in UBL that reference a document type that is also part of UBL 2 (like QuotationDocumentReference) should be qualified. Other documents not part of UBL like Inventory report or contract should use the unqualified DocumentReference and use the document type code to specify what kind of document is referenced.
     
    So from my point of view, you should use the qualified reference. Though there might be a problem if you want to use QuotationLineReference without knowing the line number (that is mandatory).
     
    /Martin Forsberg


    Från: Lemming Alan Lund [mailto:allem@wmdata.com]
    Skickat: to 2006-08-31 14:18
    Till: UBL-NES@yahoogroups.com; ubl@lists.oasis-open.org
    Ämne: [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order 2.0

    Hi All

    I have at question about usage of document reference i documents. Is
    usage described below correct?

    In a case where a customer receives two faxes with quotations for
    different goods: 1. A car for sale, 2 Maintanance service for a truck.

    The customer sends a UBL Order to order both items in one UBL Order and
    he want to attach the faxes for reference. The costomer should therefore
    attach the faxes to the order using Order->Orderline->DocumentReference
    , in an appropriate imageformat.
    Order->Orderline->QuotationLineReference->DocumentReference should NOT
    be used since the format I non-UBL.



    ________________________________________
    Alan Lund Lemming

    WM-data
    Lautrupvang 10
    2750 Ballerup
    Denmark
    Phone: +45 44 78 40 00
    Fax: +45 44 78 40 01
    Mobile: +45 25 18 81 58
    Skype: alanlemming
    mailto:allem@wmdata.com
    http://www.wmdata.dk <http://www.wmdata.dk/>



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  • 2.  Re: SV: [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order 2.0

    Posted 09-01-2006 02:30
    
    
      
      
    
    
    I agree with Martin.  Use qualified associations where possible.  That
    way the name reflects the usage and we dont rely on values in the
    document content.

    In this case the use of LineReference for the Quotation should not be a problem. Its usage would depend on the business case. 

    If the two faxes came as separate Quotations then you would specify Line 1 for the car and its DocumentReference (and Attachment).  You would also specify Line 1 for the truck service and its DocumentReference (and Attachment). 

    If the two faxes came on the same Quotation then you would have line numbers (or similar) to identify them.  So you could specifiy Line 1 being the car and Line 2 being the truck service.  Both of which would identfy the same DocumentReference (being the Quotation) but different Attachments.


    Martin Forsberg wrote:
    Hi Alan,
     
    I know that we have discussed that all document references in UBL that reference a document type that is also part of UBL 2 (like QuotationDocumentReference) should be qualified. Other documents not part of UBL like Inventory report or contract should use the unqualified DocumentReference and use the document type code to specify what kind of document is referenced.
     
    So from my point of view, you should use the qualified reference. Though there might be a problem if you want to use QuotationLineReference without knowing the line number (that is mandatory).
     
    /Martin Forsberg


    Från: Lemming Alan Lund [mailto:allem@wmdata.com]
    Skickat: to 2006-08-31 14:18
    Till: UBL-NES@yahoogroups.com; ubl@lists.oasis-open.org
    Ämne: [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order 2.0

    Hi All

    I have at question about usage of document reference i documents. Is
    usage described below correct?

    In a case where a customer receives two faxes with quotations for
    different goods: 1. A car for sale, 2 Maintanance service for a truck.

    The customer sends a UBL Order to order both items in one UBL Order and
    he want to attach the faxes for reference. The costomer should therefore
    attach the faxes to the order using Order->Orderline->DocumentReference
    , in an appropriate imageformat.
    Order->Orderline->QuotationLineReference->DocumentReference should NOT
    be used since the format I non-UBL.



    ________________________________________
    Alan Lund Lemming

    WM-data
    Lautrupvang 10
    2750 Ballerup
    Denmark
    Phone: +45 44 78 40 00
    Fax: +45 44 78 40 01
    Mobile: +45 25 18 81 58
    Skype: alanlemming
    mailto:allem@wmdata.com
    http://www.wmdata.dk <http://www.wmdata.dk/>



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  • 3.  SV: SV: [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order 2.0

    Posted 09-01-2006 10:36
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Is the opinion that we should use QuotationDocumentReference even if the quotation is not an UBL message? I tend to agree with that.
     
    Kind regards
     
    Peter 
    -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
    Fra: Tim McGrath [mailto:tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au]
    Sendt: 1. september 2006 04:30
    Til: Martin Forsberg
    Cc: UBL-NES@yahoogroups.com; ubl@lists.oasis-open.org
    Emne: Re: SV: [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order 2.0

    I agree with Martin.  Use qualified associations where possible.  That way the name reflects the usage and we dont rely on values in the document content.

    In this case the use of LineReference for the Quotation should not be a problem. Its usage would depend on the business case. 

    If the two faxes came as separate Quotations then you would specify Line 1 for the car and its DocumentReference (and Attachment).  You would also specify Line 1 for the truck service and its DocumentReference (and Attachment). 

    If the two faxes came on the same Quotation then you would have line numbers (or similar) to identify them.  So you could specifiy Line 1 being the car and Line 2 being the truck service.  Both of which would identfy the same DocumentReference (being the Quotation) but different Attachments.


    Martin Forsberg wrote:
    Hi Alan,
     
    I know that we have discussed that all document references in UBL that reference a document type that is also part of UBL 2 (like QuotationDocumentReference) should be qualified. Other documents not part of UBL like Inventory report or contract should use the unqualified DocumentReference and use the document type code to specify what kind of document is referenced.
     
    So from my point of view, you should use the qualified reference. Though there might be a problem if you want to use QuotationLineReference without knowing the line number (that is mandatory).
     
    /Martin Forsberg


    Från: Lemming Alan Lund [mailto:allem@wmdata.com]
    Skickat: to 2006-08-31 14:18
    Till: UBL-NES@yahoogroups.com; ubl@lists.oasis-open.org
    Ämne: [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order 2.0

    Hi All

    I have at question about usage of document reference i documents. Is
    usage described below correct?

    In a case where a customer receives two faxes with quotations for
    different goods: 1. A car for sale, 2 Maintanance service for a truck.

    The customer sends a UBL Order to order both items in one UBL Order and
    he want to attach the faxes for reference. The costomer should therefore
    attach the faxes to the order using Order->Orderline->DocumentReference
    , in an appropriate imageformat.
    Order->Orderline->QuotationLineReference->DocumentReference should NOT
    be used since the format I non-UBL.



    ________________________________________
    Alan Lund Lemming

    WM-data
    Lautrupvang 10
    2750 Ballerup
    Denmark
    Phone: +45 44 78 40 00
    Fax: +45 44 78 40 01
    Mobile: +45 25 18 81 58
    Skype: alanlemming
    mailto:allem@wmdata.com
    http://www.wmdata.dk <http://www.wmdata.dk/>



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    phone: +618 93352228  
    postal: po box 1289   fremantle    western australia 6160
    web: http://www.portcomm.com.au/tmcgrath


  • 4.  Re: SV: SV: [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order2.0

    Posted 09-04-2006 07:33
    
    
    
    
    I also agree that the QuotationDocumentRefereence should be allowed for Quotations outside UBL.
    M


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    From: Peter Borresen <PLB@itst.dk>
    Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:35:47 +0200
    To: Tim McGrath <tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au>, Martin Forsberg <martin.forsberg@amnis.se>
    Cc: <UBL-NES@yahoogroups.com>, <ubl@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Conversation: SV: [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order 2.0
    Subject: SV: SV: [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order 2.0

    Is the opinion that we should use QuotationDocumentReference even if the quotation is not an UBL message? I tend to agree with that.

    Kind regards

    Peter

    -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
    Fra: Tim McGrath  [mailto:tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au]
    Sendt: 1. september 2006  04:30
    Til: Martin Forsberg
    Cc: UBL-NES@yahoogroups.com;  ubl@lists.oasis-open.org
    Emne: Re: SV: [ubl] Question about document  reference in UBL Order 2.0

    I agree with Martin.  Use  qualified associations where possible.  That way the name reflects the  usage and we dont rely on values in the document content.

    In this case  the use of LineReference for the Quotation should not be a problem. Its usage  would depend on the business case.  

    If the two faxes came as  separate Quotations then you would specify Line 1 for the car and its  DocumentReference (and Attachment).  You would also specify Line 1 for  the truck service and its DocumentReference (and Attachment).  

    If  the two faxes came on the same Quotation then you would have line numbers (or  similar) to identify them.  So you could specifiy Line 1 being the car  and Line 2 being the truck service.  Both of which would identfy the same  DocumentReference (being the Quotation) but different  Attachments.


    Martin Forsberg wrote:
     
     
     
    Hi Alan,

     
     
    I know that we have discussed that all  document references in UBL that reference a document type that is also part  of UBL 2 (like QuotationDocumentReference) should be qualified. Other  documents not part of UBL like Inventory report or contract should use the  unqualified DocumentReference and use the document type code to specify what  kind of document is referenced.

     
     
    So from my point of view, you should  use the qualified reference. Though there might be a problem if you want to  use QuotationLineReference without knowing the line number (that is  mandatory).

     
     
    /Martin Forsberg


     

    Från: Lemming Alan Lund [mailto:allem@wmdata.com]
    Skickat:  to 2006-08-31 14:18
    Till: UBL-NES@yahoogroups.com; ubl@lists.oasis-open.org
    Ämne:  [ubl] Question about document reference in UBL Order 2.0

     
     

    Hi All

    I have at question about usage of document  reference i documents. Is
    usage described below correct?

    In a case  where a customer receives two faxes with quotations for
    different goods:  1. A car for sale, 2 Maintanance service for a truck.

    The customer  sends a UBL Order to order both items in one UBL Order and
    he want to  attach the faxes for reference. The costomer should therefore
    attach the  faxes to the order using Order->Orderline->DocumentReference
    , in  an appropriate  imageformat.
    Order->Orderline->QuotationLineReference->DocumentReference  should NOT
    be used since the format I  non-UBL.



    ________________________________________
    Alan  Lund Lemming

    WM-data
    Lautrupvang 10
    2750  Ballerup
    Denmark
    Phone: +45 44 78 40 00
    Fax: +45 44 78 40  01
    Mobile: +45 25 18 81 58
    Skype: alanlemming
    mailto:allem@wmdata.com
    http://www.wmdata.dk <http://www.wmdata.dk/>



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    which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or  privileged
    material.  Any review, retransmission, dissemination or  other use of, or
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    entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.  If you
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    material from any computer.



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    Checked by AVG Free Edition.
    Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/434 - Release Date: 30/08/2006
      

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    regards
    tim mcgrath
    phone: +618 93352228  
    postal: po box 1289   fremantle    western australia 6160
    web: http://www.portcomm.com.au/tmcgrath