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  • 1.  Re: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov

    Posted 11-07-2017 16:53




    I think we need to recognize (as others have pointed out) that some of these sector definitions are region specific.
     
    So we might need to consider
     
    us_chemical_sector
    us_dams_sector
    Australia_energy_sector
    ……etc.
     
    If this introduces too many values in the ov then we should consider how to resolve the fact that there are differences across regions in these definitions.
     

    Allan

     
     

    From: "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org> on behalf of Bret Jordan <Bret_Jordan@symantec.com>
    Date: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 8:49 AM
    To: Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com>, "Thompson, Dean" <Dean.Thompson@anz.com>
    Cc: "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>, "Taylor, Marlon" <Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov>
    Subject: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     


    I will also post these comments and feedback on the github issue tracker for this.
     
    One of the things we tried really hard to do is make sure that we were not overly verbose with categories. Basically try and bubble up to a higher level group.  However, we probably missed a few here and there.
     
    1) Chemical Sector - Is this a one off, or are there others we need to add?  If so, is there a higher level category that we can come up with that contains this??
     
    2) Commercial Facilities Sector - Can you give an example of what this would be?
     
    3) Dams Sector - I think this would be handled by the "Infrastructure", "Energy", or "Utilities" sector categories
     
    4) Nuclear Reactors, Materials, and Waste Sector - For the Nuclear Reactors I figured they would be part of "Infrastructure", "Energy", or "Utilities".  Is the Materials / Waste specific to Nuclear ? If so I might
    suggest that we make the sector name just "Nuclear" and not put the various sub elements, because someone will just ask for one more sub element. 
     
    5) Water and Wastewater Systems Sector - I figured these would go in to "government-public-services" but I guess Water could also go in to "Infrastructure" depending on how you viewed it.
     
    If we do decide to add any of these, we should really try to figure out if they are just sub categories of something else, if so, we should use our adopted standard of toplevelcategory-subcategory style. 
     
    Bret
     





    From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org <cti@lists.oasis-open.org> on behalf of Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:17:24 AM
    To: Thompson, Dean
    Cc: 'cti@lists.oasis-open.org'; 'Taylor, Marlon'
    Subject: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     



    In North America they're usually owned and operated by power utilities.

    -
    Jason Keirstead
    STSM, Product Architect, Security Intelligence, IBM Security Systems
    www.ibm.com/security

    Without data, all you are is just another person with an opinion - Unknown




    From:         "Thompson, Dean" <Dean.Thompson@anz.com>
    To:         "'Taylor, Marlon'" <Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov>, "'cti@lists.oasis-open.org'" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Date:         11/07/2017 06:42 AM
    Subject:         [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov
    Sent by:         <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>






     
    Hi!,
     
    One quick one, but are “Dam’s” a subset of the “Water” sector.  I know in Australia we treat it like this.
     
    Regards,
     
    Dean
     
    From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org ]
    On Behalf Of Taylor, Marlon
    Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 5:36 AM
    To: cti@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [cti] Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov
     
    Hi TC,
     
    During the October F2F the omissions of specific some critical infrastructure was discussed and it was suggested to open a github issue to add those items to the industry-sector-ov. This change adds
    support for sectors not previously included and does not have a negative impact on the existing sectors.
     
    GITHUB LINK:
    https://github.com/oasis-tcs/cti-stix2/issues/34
     
    Are there any objections to including the resolution of this item into 2.1?
     
     
    Marlon Taylor
    Technology Services Section
    National Cybersecurity & Communications Integration Center (NCCIC)
    U.S. Department of Homeland Security
     
    "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential, may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication in error,
    please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless expressly
    stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ Bank New Zealand Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in
    the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."

     







  • 2.  Re: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov

    Posted 11-07-2017 17:05
    I think something like that might be good for guidance language as well.  Like if you are going to add a sector that is unique or specific to a region, you should use a 2 letter region code first.   My one worry is that if the list gets too long or too specific, then people have a hard time figuring out where to put stuff and they just guess or pick "other".   I also want to make sure at least from the spec standpoint, that we make it easy to see/group similar sectors so people will be able to more easily see what is there.  This is one reason why we adopted the main-sub category style.  It is hard when things like government stuff are spread all over the list.  It makes it much easier to see when they are: government-national, government-regional, government-local, government-public-services   With all of this, it is a delicate balance.  We need to make sure we do enough to enable people to use this and have some level of interoperability.  But we need to be careful of not going so far as to make it hard to use (I am not suggesting that we are doing that here, just that we need to be constantly careful). Bret From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org <cti@lists.oasis-open.org> on behalf of Allan Thomson <athomson@lookingglasscyber.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:53:23 AM To: Bret Jordan; Jason Keirstead; Thompson, Dean Cc: 'cti@lists.oasis-open.org'; 'Taylor, Marlon' Subject: Re: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov   I think we need to recognize (as others have pointed out) that some of these sector definitions are region specific.   So we might need to consider   us_chemical_sector us_dams_sector Australia_energy_sector ……etc.   If this introduces too many values in the ov then we should consider how to resolve the fact that there are differences across regions in these definitions.   Allan     From: "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org> on behalf of Bret Jordan <Bret_Jordan@symantec.com> Date: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 8:49 AM To: Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com>, "Thompson, Dean" <Dean.Thompson@anz.com> Cc: "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>, "Taylor, Marlon" <Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov> Subject: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov   I will also post these comments and feedback on the github issue tracker for this.   One of the things we tried really hard to do is make sure that we were not overly verbose with categories. Basically try and bubble up to a higher level group.  However, we probably missed a few here and there.   1) Chemical Sector - Is this a one off, or are there others we need to add?  If so, is there a higher level category that we can come up with that contains this??   2) Commercial Facilities Sector - Can you give an example of what this would be?   3) Dams Sector - I think this would be handled by the "Infrastructure", "Energy", or "Utilities" sector categories   4) Nuclear Reactors, Materials, and Waste Sector - For the Nuclear Reactors I figured they would be part of "Infrastructure", "Energy", or "Utilities".  Is the Materials / Waste specific to Nuclear ? If so I might suggest that we make the sector name just "Nuclear" and not put the various sub elements, because someone will just ask for one more sub element.    5) Water and Wastewater Systems Sector - I figured these would go in to "government-public-services" but I guess Water could also go in to "Infrastructure" depending on how you viewed it.   If we do decide to add any of these, we should really try to figure out if they are just sub categories of something else, if so, we should use our adopted standard of toplevelcategory-subcategory style.    Bret   From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org <cti@lists.oasis-open.org> on behalf of Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:17:24 AM To: Thompson, Dean Cc: 'cti@lists.oasis-open.org'; 'Taylor, Marlon' Subject: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov   In North America they're usually owned and operated by power utilities. - Jason Keirstead STSM, Product Architect, Security Intelligence, IBM Security Systems www.ibm.com/security Without data, all you are is just another person with an opinion - Unknown From:         "Thompson, Dean" <Dean.Thompson@anz.com> To:         "'Taylor, Marlon'" <Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov>, "'cti@lists.oasis-open.org'" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org> Date:         11/07/2017 06:42 AM Subject:         [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov Sent by:         <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>   Hi!,   One quick one, but are “Dam’s” a subset of the “Water” sector.  I know in Australia we treat it like this.   Regards,   Dean   From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Taylor, Marlon Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 5:36 AM To: cti@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [cti] Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov   Hi TC,   During the October F2F the omissions of specific some critical infrastructure was discussed and it was suggested to open a github issue to add those items to the industry-sector-ov. This change adds support for sectors not previously included and does not have a negative impact on the existing sectors.   GITHUB LINK: https://github.com/oasis-tcs/cti-stix2/issues/34   Are there any objections to including the resolution of this item into 2.1?     Marlon Taylor Technology Services Section National Cybersecurity & Communications Integration Center (NCCIC) U.S. Department of Homeland Security   "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential, may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ Bank New Zealand Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."  


  • 3.  RE: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov

    Posted 11-07-2017 18:00




    Very good point Allan. I was coming at it from a DHS-centric view around the 16 critical infrastructures we track ( https://www.dhs.gov/critical-infrastructure-sectors )
    but if there’s a way that’s not too burdensome to allow for other regions or countries to annotate it differently, that makes sense.

     
    Preston
     
     


    From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org]
    On Behalf Of Allan Thomson
    Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 11:53 AM
    To: Bret Jordan <Bret_Jordan@symantec.com>; Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com>; Thompson, Dean <Dean.Thompson@anz.com>
    Cc: 'cti@lists.oasis-open.org' <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>; Taylor, Marlon <Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov>
    Subject: Re: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     
    I think we need to recognize (as others have pointed out) that some of these sector definitions are region specific.
     
    So we might need to consider
     
    us_chemical_sector
    us_dams_sector
    Australia_energy_sector
    ……etc.
     
    If this introduces too many values in the ov then we should consider how to resolve the fact that there are differences across regions in these definitions.
     

    Allan

     
     

    From: "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org> on behalf of Bret Jordan <Bret_Jordan@symantec.com>
    Date: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 8:49 AM
    To: Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com>, "Thompson, Dean" <Dean.Thompson@anz.com>
    Cc: "cti@lists.oasis-open.org" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>, "Taylor, Marlon" <Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov>
    Subject: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     


    I will also post these comments and feedback on the github issue tracker for this.
     
    One of the things we tried really hard to do is make sure that we were not overly verbose with categories. Basically try and bubble up to a higher level group.  However, we probably missed a few here and there.
     
    1) Chemical Sector - Is this a one off, or are there others we need to add?  If so, is there a higher level category that we can come up with that contains this??
     
    2) Commercial Facilities Sector - Can you give an example of what this would be?
     
    3) Dams Sector - I think this would be handled by the "Infrastructure", "Energy", or "Utilities" sector categories
     
    4) Nuclear Reactors, Materials, and Waste Sector - For the Nuclear Reactors I figured they would be part of "Infrastructure", "Energy", or "Utilities".  Is the Materials / Waste specific to Nuclear ? If so I might
    suggest that we make the sector name just "Nuclear" and not put the various sub elements, because someone will just ask for one more sub element. 
     
    5) Water and Wastewater Systems Sector - I figured these would go in to "government-public-services" but I guess Water could also go in to "Infrastructure" depending on how you viewed it.
     
    If we do decide to add any of these, we should really try to figure out if they are just sub categories of something else, if so, we should use our adopted standard of toplevelcategory-subcategory style. 
     
    Bret
     





    From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org <cti@lists.oasis-open.org> on behalf of Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:17:24 AM
    To: Thompson, Dean
    Cc: 'cti@lists.oasis-open.org'; 'Taylor, Marlon'
    Subject: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     



    In North America they're usually owned and operated by power utilities.

    -
    Jason Keirstead
    STSM, Product Architect, Security Intelligence, IBM Security Systems
    www.ibm.com/security

    Without data, all you are is just another person with an opinion - Unknown




    From:         "Thompson, Dean" <Dean.Thompson@anz.com>
    To:         "'Taylor, Marlon'" <Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov>, "'cti@lists.oasis-open.org'" <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Date:         11/07/2017 06:42 AM
    Subject:         [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov
    Sent by:         <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>






     
    Hi!,
     
    One quick one, but are “Dam’s” a subset of the “Water” sector.  I know in Australia we treat it like this.
     
    Regards,
     
    Dean
     
    From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org ]
    On Behalf Of Taylor, Marlon
    Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 5:36 AM
    To: cti@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [cti] Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov
     
    Hi TC,
     
    During the October F2F the omissions of specific some critical infrastructure was discussed and it was suggested to open a github issue to add those items to the industry-sector-ov. This change adds
    support for sectors not previously included and does not have a negative impact on the existing sectors.
     
    GITHUB LINK:
    https://github.com/oasis-tcs/cti-stix2/issues/34
     
    Are there any objections to including the resolution of this item into 2.1?
     
     
    Marlon Taylor
    Technology Services Section
    National Cybersecurity & Communications Integration Center (NCCIC)
    U.S. Department of Homeland Security
     
    "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential, may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication in error,
    please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless expressly
    stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ Bank New Zealand Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in
    the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."

     







  • 4.  RE: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov

    Posted 11-10-2017 01:42




    Hi,

     
    I mentioned this during the F2F in Austin, but there are thirteen "official" critical infrastructures
    defined by NISC (https://www.nisc.go.jp/) in Japan
     
    - information and communication services
    - financial services
    - aviation services
    - railway services
    - electric power supply services
    - gas supply services
    - government and administrative services (including municipal government)
    - medical services
    - water services
    - logistics services
    - chemical industries
    - credit card services
    - petroleum industries
     
    See
    https://www.nisc.go.jp/eng/pdf/actionplan_ci_eng_v3.pdf
     
    https:// www.nisc.go.jp/active/infra/outline.html
     
    Regards,
     
    Ryu
     
    P.S.
    I am not exactly sure why credit card services is separate from financial services…
     


    From: cti@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org]
    On Behalf Of Werntz, Preston
    Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 3:00 AM
    To: Allan Thomson <athomson@lookingglasscyber.com>; Bret Jordan <Bret_Jordan@symantec.com>; Jason Keirstead <Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com>; Thompson, Dean <Dean.Thompson@anz.com>
    Cc: 'cti@lists.oasis-open.org' <cti@lists.oasis-open.org>; Taylor, Marlon <Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov>
    Subject: RE: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     
    Very good point Allan. I was coming at it from a DHS-centric view around the 16 critical infrastructures we track ( https://www.dhs.gov/critical-infrastructure-sectors )
    but if there’s a way that’s not too burdensome to allow for other regions or countries to annotate it differently, that makes sense.

     
    Preston
     
     


    From:
    cti@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org ]
    On Behalf Of Allan Thomson
    Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 11:53 AM
    To: Bret Jordan < Bret_Jordan@symantec.com >; Jason Keirstead < Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com >; Thompson, Dean < Dean.Thompson@anz.com >
    Cc: 'cti@lists.oasis-open.org' < cti@lists.oasis-open.org >; Taylor, Marlon < Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov >
    Subject: Re: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     
    I think we need to recognize (as others have pointed out) that some of these sector definitions are region specific.
     
    So we might need to consider
     
    us_chemical_sector
    us_dams_sector
    Australia_energy_sector
    ……etc.
     
    If this introduces too many values in the ov then we should consider how to resolve the fact that there are differences across regions in these definitions.
     

    Allan

     
     

    From:
    " cti@lists.oasis-open.org " < cti@lists.oasis-open.org > on behalf of Bret Jordan < Bret_Jordan@symantec.com >
    Date: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 8:49 AM
    To: Jason Keirstead < Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com >, "Thompson, Dean" < Dean.Thompson@anz.com >
    Cc: " cti@lists.oasis-open.org " < cti@lists.oasis-open.org >, "Taylor, Marlon" < Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov >
    Subject: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     


    I will also post these comments and feedback on the github issue tracker for this.
     
    One of the things we tried really hard to do is make sure that we were not overly verbose with categories. Basically try and bubble up to a higher level group.  However, we probably missed a few here
    and there.
     
    1) Chemical Sector - Is this a one off, or are there others we need to add?  If so, is there a higher level category that we can come up with that contains this??
     
    2) Commercial Facilities Sector - Can you give an example of what this would be?
     
    3) Dams Sector - I think this would be handled by the "Infrastructure", "Energy", or "Utilities" sector categories
     
    4) Nuclear Reactors, Materials, and Waste Sector - For the Nuclear Reactors I figured they would be part of "Infrastructure", "Energy", or "Utilities".  Is the Materials / Waste specific to Nuclear
    ? If so I might suggest that we make the sector name just "Nuclear" and not put the various sub elements, because someone will just ask for one more sub element. 
     
    5) Water and Wastewater Systems Sector - I figured these would go in to "government-public-services" but I guess Water could also go in to "Infrastructure" depending on how you viewed it.
     
    If we do decide to add any of these, we should really try to figure out if they are just sub categories of something else, if so, we should use our adopted standard of toplevelcategory-subcategory style. 
     
    Bret
     





    From:
    cti@lists.oasis-open.org < cti@lists.oasis-open.org > on behalf of Jason Keirstead < Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com >
    Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:17:24 AM
    To: Thompson, Dean
    Cc: 'cti@lists.oasis-open.org'; 'Taylor, Marlon'
    Subject: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     



    In North America they're usually owned and operated by power utilities.

    -
    Jason Keirstead
    STSM, Product Architect, Security Intelligence, IBM Security Systems
    www.ibm.com/security

    Without data, all you are is just another person with an opinion - Unknown




    From:         "Thompson, Dean" < Dean.Thompson@anz.com >
    To:         "'Taylor, Marlon'" < Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov >,
    "'cti@lists.oasis-open.org'" < cti@lists.oasis-open.org >
    Date:         11/07/2017 06:42 AM
    Subject:         [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov
    Sent by:         < cti@lists.oasis-open.org >






     
    Hi!,
     
    One quick one, but are “Dam’s” a subset of the “Water” sector.  I know in Australia we treat it like this.
     
    Regards,
     
    Dean
     
    From:
    cti@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org ]
    On Behalf Of Taylor, Marlon
    Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 5:36 AM
    To: cti@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [cti] Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov
     
    Hi TC,
     
    During the October F2F the omissions of specific some critical infrastructure was discussed and it was suggested to open a github issue to add those items to the industry-sector-ov.
    This change adds support for sectors not previously included and does not have a negative impact on the existing sectors.
     
    GITHUB LINK:
    https://github.com/oasis-tcs/cti-stix2/issues/34
     
    Are there any objections to including the resolution of this item into 2.1?
     
     
    Marlon Taylor
    Technology Services Section
    National Cybersecurity & Communications Integration Center (NCCIC)
    U.S. Department of Homeland Security
     

    "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential, may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication
    in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only,
    unless expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ Bank New Zealand Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity
    of or errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."

     







  • 5.  RE: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov

    Posted 11-07-2017 22:23




     
    Hi!,
     
    I am happy to stay away from the country designations as a prefix/suffix, because the list will get too over-whelming, my question was probably a little more
    generic in that isn’t a dam just water, but I am happy to leave other sector names in there.  Systems and analysts will select what is the most appropriate for them.
     
    Regards,
     
    Dean
     
     


    From: Allan Thomson [mailto:athomson@lookingglasscyber.com]

    Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 3:53 AM
    To: Bret Jordan; Jason Keirstead; Thompson, Dean
    Cc: 'cti@lists.oasis-open.org'; 'Taylor, Marlon'
    Subject: Re: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     
    I think we need to recognize (as others have pointed out) that some of these sector definitions are region specific.
     
    So we might need to consider
     
    us_chemical_sector
    us_dams_sector
    Australia_energy_sector
    ……etc.
     
    If this introduces too many values in the ov then we should consider how to resolve the fact that there are differences across regions in these definitions.
     

    Allan

     
     

    From:
    " cti@lists.oasis-open.org " < cti@lists.oasis-open.org > on behalf of Bret Jordan < Bret_Jordan@symantec.com >
    Date: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 8:49 AM
    To: Jason Keirstead < Jason.Keirstead@ca.ibm.com >, "Thompson, Dean" < Dean.Thompson@anz.com >
    Cc: " cti@lists.oasis-open.org " < cti@lists.oasis-open.org >, "Taylor, Marlon" < Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov >
    Subject: [cti] Re: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     


    I will also post these comments and feedback on the github issue tracker for this.
     
    One of the things we tried really hard to do is make sure that we were not overly verbose with categories. Basically try and bubble up to a higher level group.  However, we probably missed a few here
    and there.
     
    1) Chemical Sector - Is this a one off, or are there others we need to add?  If so, is there a higher level category that we can come up with that contains this??
     
    2) Commercial Facilities Sector - Can you give an example of what this would be?
     
    3) Dams Sector - I think this would be handled by the "Infrastructure", "Energy", or "Utilities" sector categories
     
    4) Nuclear Reactors, Materials, and Waste Sector - For the Nuclear Reactors I figured they would be part of "Infrastructure", "Energy", or "Utilities".  Is the Materials / Waste specific to Nuclear
    ? If so I might suggest that we make the sector name just "Nuclear" and not put the various sub elements, because someone will just ask for one more sub element. 
     
    5) Water and Wastewater Systems Sector - I figured these would go in to "government-public-services" but I guess Water could also go in to "Infrastructure" depending on how you viewed it.
     
    If we do decide to add any of these, we should really try to figure out if they are just sub categories of something else, if so, we should use our adopted standard of toplevelcategory-subcategory style. 
     
    Bret
     





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    Subject: [EXT] Re: [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov


     



    In North America they're usually owned and operated by power utilities.

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    Jason Keirstead
    STSM, Product Architect, Security Intelligence, IBM Security Systems
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    To:         "'Taylor, Marlon'" < Marlon.Taylor@hq.dhs.gov >,
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    Date:         11/07/2017 06:42 AM
    Subject:         [cti] RE: Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov
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    Hi!,
     
    One quick one, but are “Dam’s” a subset of the “Water” sector.  I know in Australia we treat it like this.
     
    Regards,
     
    Dean
     
    From:
    cti@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:cti@lists.oasis-open.org ]
    On Behalf Of Taylor, Marlon
    Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 5:36 AM
    To: cti@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [cti] Suggested Additions to industry-sector-ov
     
    Hi TC,
     
    During the October F2F the omissions of specific some critical infrastructure was discussed and it was suggested to open a github issue to add those items to the industry-sector-ov.
    This change adds support for sectors not previously included and does not have a negative impact on the existing sectors.
     
    GITHUB LINK:
    https://github.com/oasis-tcs/cti-stix2/issues/34
     
    Are there any objections to including the resolution of this item into 2.1?
     
     
    Marlon Taylor
    Technology Services Section
    National Cybersecurity & Communications Integration Center (NCCIC)
    U.S. Department of Homeland Security
     

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