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  • 1.  STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object

    Posted 12-25-2016 08:24
    Hi All, I'd like to propose the Opinion Object for STIX 2.1. The Opinion object is an object that allows the creator of the Opinion object to agree/disagree with any other STIX Data Object or STIX Relationship Object. It will allow an Organization to disagree with a relationship between a Threat Actor and a Campaign for example, or agree with the contents of an Course of Action. This is the first step towards consumers being able to crowd-source the opinion of the community, which will help newcomers to the threat intelligence sharing groups better understand which threats have a high degree of community agreement and which are contentious. Further details in the attached PDF. Cheers Terry MacDonald   Chief Product Officer M:   +64 211 918 814 E:   terry.macdonald@cosive.com W:   www.cosive.com Attachment: STIX2.1Proposal-OpinionObject.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document

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  • 2.  Re: [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object

    Posted 12-25-2016 09:52
    Hello Terry,

    Is the "no-opinion" useful? If one wants to express a neutral view they
    would select "neutral", otherwise you have two options for a "neutral"
    opinion which could create some interpretation issues. (counting as 0 or
    not counting when cumulating responses).

    Secondly is there an approved reference definition of agree vs
    strongly-agree or is it based on individuals point of views and typical
    psychology studies ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likert_scale, http://www.
    simplypsychology.org/likert-scale.html http://poincare.
    matf.bg.ac.rs/~kristina/topic-dane-likert.pdf

    Eric Freyssinet
    Ministry of Interior, Cyberthreats taskforce
    Associate member of Loria

    On 25 December 2016 at 09:23, Terry MacDonald <terry.macdonald@cosive.com>
    wrote:

    > Hi All,
    >
    > I'd like to propose the Opinion Object for STIX 2.1.
    >
    > The Opinion object is an object that allows the creator of the Opinion
    > object to agree/disagree with any other STIX Data Object or STIX
    > Relationship Object. It will allow an Organization to disagree with a
    > relationship between a Threat Actor and a Campaign for example, or agree
    > with the contents of an Course of Action.
    >
    > This is the first step towards consumers being able to crowd-source the
    > opinion of the community, which will help newcomers to the threat
    > intelligence sharing groups better understand which threats have a high
    > degree of community agreement and which are contentious.
    >
    > Further details in the attached PDF.
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > *Terry MacDonald *| Chief Product Officer
    >
    >
    >
    > M: +64 211 918 814 <+64+211+918+814>
    > E: terry.macdonald@cosive.com
    > W: www.cosive.com
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  • 3.  RE: [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object

    Posted 01-09-2017 16:06
    I believe this is a valuable addition. Like other User Generated Content (UGC), attribution is a requirement for the content to be trusted and used, therefore, if added, attribution will be required in some manner for it to be adopted. I know many people are concerned about attribution but I for one am happy to provide it in this field, in fact I think it will be required moving forward for full adoption, less we only rely a limited set of authoritative feeds.

    From: cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Terry MacDonald
    Sent: December 25, 2016 3:24 AM
    To: cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org; cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object

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    Hi All,

    I'd like to propose the Opinion Object for STIX 2.1.

    The Opinion object is an object that allows the creator of the Opinion object to agree/disagree with any other STIX Data Object or STIX Relationship Object. It will allow an Organization to disagree with a relationship between a Threat Actor and a Campaign for example, or agree with the contents of an Course of Action.

    This is the first step towards consumers being able to crowd-source the opinion of the community, which will help newcomers to the threat intelligence sharing groups better understand which threats have a high degree of community agreement and which are contentious.

    Further details in the attached PDF.

    Cheers

    Terry MacDonald | Chief Product Officer

    [cid:image001.png@01D26A68.5FD93860]

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  • 4.  RE: [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object

    Posted 01-09-2017 22:07

    Hi!,

    I would also like to add my support for an ‘Opinion Object’ as well (I think this was discussed last year as well). As Jason and Terry have highlighted, this object provides the capability for the community to have their say on information which is being passed around or shared. This can be quite critical in sector specific areas as well as the wider community as well (for example, we could rate or have opinion about fraud data being shared between banks).

    It would be great to be able to associate “Opinions” about the STIX data that is being passed around. It also provides the ability to introduce additional concepts at a later stage.

    Regards,

    Dean


    From: cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hammerschmidt
    Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2017 3:06 AM
    To: 'Terry MacDonald'; cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org; cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: RE: [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object

    I believe this is a valuable addition. Like other User Generated Content (UGC), attribution is a requirement for the content to be trusted and used, therefore, if added, attribution will be required in some manner for it to be adopted. I know many people are concerned about attribution but I for one am happy to provide it in this field, in fact I think it will be required moving forward for full adoption, less we only rely a limited set of authoritative feeds.

    From: cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org<mailto:cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org> [mailto:cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Terry MacDonald
    Sent: December 25, 2016 3:24 AM
    To: cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org<mailto:cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org>; cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org<mailto:cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Subject: [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object

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    Hi All,

    I'd like to propose the Opinion Object for STIX 2.1.

    The Opinion object is an object that allows the creator of the Opinion object to agree/disagree with any other STIX Data Object or STIX Relationship Object. It will allow an Organization to disagree with a relationship between a Threat Actor and a Campaign for example, or agree with the contents of an Course of Action.

    This is the first step towards consumers being able to crowd-source the opinion of the community, which will help newcomers to the threat intelligence sharing groups better understand which threats have a high degree of community agreement and which are contentious.

    Further details in the attached PDF.

    Cheers

    Terry MacDonald | Chief Product Officer

    [cid:image001.png@01D26B1F.259055A0]

    M: +64 211 918 814<tel:+64+211+918+814>
    E: terry.macdonald@cosive.com<mailto:terry.macdonald@cosive.com>
    W: www.cosive.com<https: www.cosive.com/="">




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  • 5.  RE: [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object

    Posted 01-09-2017 22:07
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    Hi!,
     
    I would also like to add my support for an ‘Opinion Object’ as well (I think this was discussed last year as well).  As Jason and Terry have highlighted, this
    object provides the capability for the community to have their say on information which is being passed around or shared.  This can be quite critical in sector specific areas as well as the wider community as well (for example, we could rate or have opinion
    about fraud data being shared between banks).
     
    It would be great to be able to associate “Opinions” about the STIX data that is being passed around.  It also provides the ability to introduce additional
    concepts at a later stage.
     
    Regards,
     
    Dean
     
     


    From: cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org]
    On Behalf Of Jason Hammerschmidt
    Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2017 3:06 AM
    To: 'Terry MacDonald'; cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org; cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: RE: [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object


     
    I believe this is a valuable addition.  Like other User Generated Content (UGC), attribution is a requirement for the content to be trusted and
    used, therefore, if added, attribution will be required in some manner for it to be adopted.  I know many people are concerned about attribution but I for one am happy to provide it in this field, in fact I think it will be required moving forward for full
    adoption, less we only rely a limited set of authoritative feeds.   
     
    From:
    cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org ]
    On Behalf Of Terry MacDonald
    Sent: December 25, 2016 3:24 AM
    To: cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org ;
    cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object
     
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    Hi All,

    I'd like to propose the Opinion Object for STIX 2.1.

    The Opinion object is an object that allows the creator of the Opinion object to agree/disagree with any other STIX Data Object or STIX Relationship Object. It will allow an Organization to disagree with a relationship between a Threat Actor and a Campaign
    for example, or agree with the contents of an Course of Action.

    This is the first step towards consumers being able to crowd-source the opinion of the community, which will help newcomers to the threat intelligence sharing groups better understand which threats have a high degree of community agreement and which are contentious.

     


    Further details in the attached PDF.


     








    Cheers


     



    Terry MacDonald   Chief Product Officer


     





     


    M:   +64 211 918 814


    E:   terry.macdonald@cosive.com


    W:   www.cosive.com


     



     


     










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  • 6.  Re: [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object

    Posted 01-09-2017 23:21
    Hello All

    If you allow me, here are my two cents on this:
    In my opinion we should not confuse things.
    Attribution is the capability of assign and provide evidences linking
    someone/something with an action/attack step that has or is happening and
    is thightly connected with one of the attributes of information security
    that is not commonly managed, non-repudiation.

    I do agreed with the existence of an object property that allow "to grade"
    the commonly agreed level of relationship between other SDO´s by
    accumulating "thustworthy points", and due to that to carry a property,
    call it for eg "thrust level"/"opinion level"
    This points could be given by the community who could also have the
    capability of downgrade the "thustworthy points" by subtracting or
    attributing negative points.
    Obviously there should be put in place mecanisms for protecting the misuse
    or corruption of such an attribute.

    Hope it helped

    Be happy and have a super 2017

    TM



    Tolentino Martins

    2017-01-09 16:06 GMT+00:00 Jason Hammerschmidt <jason.hammerschmidt@ieso.ca>
    :

    > I believe this is a valuable addition. Like other User Generated Content
    > (UGC), attribution is a requirement for the content to be trusted and used,
    > therefore, if added, attribution will be required in some manner for it to
    > be adopted. I know many people are concerned about attribution but I for
    > one am happy to provide it in this field, in fact I think it will be
    > required moving forward for full adoption, less we only rely a limited set
    > of authoritative feeds.
    >
    >
    >
    > *From:* cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:cti-users@lists.oasis-
    > open.org] *On Behalf Of *Terry MacDonald
    > *Sent:* December 25, 2016 3:24 AM
    > *To:* cti-stix@lists.oasis-open.org; cti-users@lists.oasis-open.org
    > *Subject:* [cti-users] STIX 2.1 Propsal - Opinion Object
    >
    >
    >
    > *** EXTERNAL email. Please be cautious and evaluate before you click on
    > links, open attachments, or provide credentials. ***
    >
    > Hi All,
    >
    > I'd like to propose the Opinion Object for STIX 2.1.
    >
    > The Opinion object is an object that allows the creator of the Opinion
    > object to agree/disagree with any other STIX Data Object or STIX
    > Relationship Object. It will allow an Organization to disagree with a
    > relationship between a Threat Actor and a Campaign for example, or agree
    > with the contents of an Course of Action.
    >
    > This is the first step towards consumers being able to crowd-source the
    > opinion of the community, which will help newcomers to the threat
    > intelligence sharing groups better understand which threats have a high
    > degree of community agreement and which are contentious.
    >
    >
    >
    > Further details in the attached PDF.
    >
    >
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    >
    >
    > *Terry MacDonald *| Chief Product Officer
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > M: +64 211 918 814 <+64+211+918+814>
    >
    > E: terry.macdonald@cosive.com
    >
    > W: www.cosive.com
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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