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  • 1.  semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-05-2012 22:42
    Hello,

    I'm writing an API documentation for "generic" C code, where certain
    tokens in a given (function) name are to be substituted to map the name
    to a real function name. For example, I'm using
    <function>compute_<replaceable>t</replaceable></function> to stand for a
    set of functions "compute_f", "compute_d", "compute_i", etc.

    It even happens that certain names contain multiple such replaceable
    "parameters".

    However, the stylesheets at present inject commas, which makes it
    impossible to have "replaceable" tags in the middle of a name. I'm
    reading http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/replaceable.html but it doesn't
    suggest anything that would justify such a comma injection.

    What is the use-case for this ? Am I using "replaceable" wrongly ? (I
    can of course customize the template matching d:function/d:replaceable,
    but it still seems I'm missing something.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Stefan

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  • 2.  Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-05-2012 23:50
    Hi Stefan,

    I suspect the problem is in your customization. I just tried this with 1.77.1 (PDF and HTML), and there were no commas inserted in the output.

    Best Regards,
    Dick
    -------
    XML Press
    XML for Technical Communicators
    http://xmlpress.net
    hamilton@xmlpress.net



    On Nov 5, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Stefan Seefeld wrote:

    > Hello,
    >
    > I'm writing an API documentation for "generic" C code, where certain
    > tokens in a given (function) name are to be substituted to map the name
    > to a real function name. For example, I'm using
    > <function>compute_<replaceable>t</replaceable></function> to stand for a
    > set of functions "compute_f", "compute_d", "compute_i", etc.
    >
    > It even happens that certain names contain multiple such replaceable
    > "parameters".
    >
    > However, the stylesheets at present inject commas, which makes it
    > impossible to have "replaceable" tags in the middle of a name. I'm
    > reading http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/replaceable.html but it doesn't
    > suggest anything that would justify such a comma injection.
    >
    > What is the use-case for this ? Am I using "replaceable" wrongly ? (I
    > can of course customize the template matching d:function/d:replaceable,
    > but it still seems I'm missing something.
    >
    > Any help would be appreciated.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Stefan
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...ich hab' noch einen Koffer in Berlin...
    >
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  • 3.  Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-06-2012 00:06
    On 11/05/2012 06:50 PM, Richard Hamilton wrote:
    > Hi Stefan,
    >
    > I suspect the problem is in your customization. I just tried this with 1.77.1 (PDF and HTML), and there were no commas inserted in the output.

    Hi Richard,

    thanks for following up so quickly. I don't yet use a customization for
    this. Please have a look at either the fo/inline.xsl or html/inline.xsl
    stylesheets and look for the template matching
    "d:function/d:replaceable". It does indeed add a comma if there is more
    content after the replaceable element:

    <xsl:template match="d:function/d:replaceable" priority="2">
    <xsl:call-template name="inline.italicmonoseq"/>
    <xsl:if test="following-sibling::*">
    <xsl:text>, </xsl:text>
    </xsl:if>
    </xsl:template>

    (In my docs I have things like
    <function>vsip_<replaceable>d</replaceable>clip</function>, such that
    the comma would be inserted between the 'd' and the 'clip'.

    Stefan

    --

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  • 4.  Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-06-2012 01:13
    I checked the archives, and apparently these templates that add a comma in
    the context of the function element were added very early in the XSL
    development, back in 2001. Given the variety of elements that function can
    contain, including indexterms,and the variety of contexts in which function
    can appear, including para, does anyone think these generated commas are
    appropriate? Are there more restricted contexts where they might be
    appropriate? If we eliminate the generated commas, would that mess up a lot
    of output?

    For now, I would suggest that you

    Bob Stayton
    Sagehill Enterprises
    bobs@sagehill.net

    --------------------------------------------------
    From: "Stefan Seefeld" <stefan@seefeld.name>
    Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:05 PM
    To: "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net>
    Cc: "DocBook Apps Mailing List" <docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    > On 11/05/2012 06:50 PM, Richard Hamilton wrote:
    >> Hi Stefan,
    >>
    >> I suspect the problem is in your customization. I just tried this with
    >> 1.77.1 (PDF and HTML), and there were no commas inserted in the output.
    >
    > Hi Richard,
    >
    > thanks for following up so quickly. I don't yet use a customization for
    > this. Please have a look at either the fo/inline.xsl or html/inline.xsl
    > stylesheets and look for the template matching
    > "d:function/d:replaceable". It does indeed add a comma if there is more
    > content after the replaceable element:
    >
    > <xsl:template match="d:function/d:replaceable" priority="2">
    > <xsl:call-template name="inline.italicmonoseq"/>
    > <xsl:if test="following-sibling::*">
    > <xsl:text>, </xsl:text>
    > </xsl:if>
    > </xsl:template>
    >
    > (In my docs I have things like
    > <function>vsip_<replaceable>d</replaceable>clip</function>, such that
    > the comma would be inserted between the 'd' and the 'clip'.
    >
    > Stefan
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...ich hab' noch einen Koffer in Berlin...
    >
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  • 5.  Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-06-2012 01:30
    On 11/05/2012 08:13 PM, Bob Stayton wrote:
    > I checked the archives, and apparently these templates that add a
    > comma in the context of the function element were added very early in
    > the XSL development, back in 2001. Given the variety of elements that
    > function can contain, including indexterms,and the variety of contexts
    > in which function can appear, including para, does anyone think these
    > generated commas are appropriate? Are there more restricted contexts
    > where they might be appropriate? If we eliminate the generated
    > commas, would that mess up a lot of output?
    >
    > For now, I would suggest that you

    ...use a customization layer to suppress the unwanted commas ?

    Yes, I can certainly do that. :-)

    Thanks,
    Stefan

    --

    ...ich hab' noch einen Koffer in Berlin...




  • 6.  Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-06-2012 01:38
    I missed that this only happened when there was a sibling. The example I tried only had one instance of replaceable embedded. When I added a second instance, it worked exactly as Stefan describes. Sorry for any confusion.

    To complete what I suspect Bob was going to suggest, you can add a template to your customization that removes this behavior (the template below would do the job).

    I just looked at the stylesheets, and they include a parameter called function.parens, which when set will take input of the following type:

    <function>foo<replaceable>x</replaceable><replaceable>y</replaceable></function>
    and render it as: foo(x, y).

    The problem seems to be that the template for d:function checks this parameter, but the template for d:function/d:replaceable (and d:function/d:parameter) doesn't . The result when function.parens is set to 0 is inconsistent.

    I think the following change would fix the problem for Stefan, and leave the capability in for anyone who wants to use function.parens:

    <xsl:template match="d:function/d:replaceable" priority="2">
    <xsl:call-template name="inline.italicmonoseq"/>
    <xsl:if test="$function.parens != '0' and following-sibling::*">
    <xsl:text>, </xsl:text>
    </xsl:if>
    </xsl:template>

    You'd need to do the same with d:function/d:parameter, too, though it appears that parameter is not allowed inside function, so it may be a moot point.

    Dick
    -------
    XML Press
    XML for Technical Communicators
    http://xmlpress.net
    hamilton@xmlpress.net



    On Nov 5, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Bob Stayton wrote:

    > I checked the archives, and apparently these templates that add a comma in the context of the function element were added very early in the XSL development, back in 2001. Given the variety of elements that function can contain, including indexterms,and the variety of contexts in which function can appear, including para, does anyone think these generated commas are appropriate? Are there more restricted contexts where they might be appropriate? If we eliminate the generated commas, would that mess up a lot of output?
    >
    > For now, I would suggest that you
    >
    > Bob Stayton
    > Sagehill Enterprises
    > bobs@sagehill.net
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------
    > From: "Stefan Seefeld" <stefan@seefeld.name>
    > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:05 PM
    > To: "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net>
    > Cc: "DocBook Apps Mailing List" <docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org>
    > Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.
    >
    >> On 11/05/2012 06:50 PM, Richard Hamilton wrote:
    >>> Hi Stefan,
    >>>
    >>> I suspect the problem is in your customization. I just tried this with 1.77.1 (PDF and HTML), and there were no commas inserted in the output.
    >>
    >> Hi Richard,
    >>
    >> thanks for following up so quickly. I don't yet use a customization for
    >> this. Please have a look at either the fo/inline.xsl or html/inline.xsl
    >> stylesheets and look for the template matching
    >> "d:function/d:replaceable". It does indeed add a comma if there is more
    >> content after the replaceable element:
    >>
    >> <xsl:template match="d:function/d:replaceable" priority="2">
    >> <xsl:call-template name="inline.italicmonoseq"/>
    >> <xsl:if test="following-sibling::*">
    >> <xsl:text>, </xsl:text>
    >> </xsl:if>
    >> </xsl:template>
    >>
    >> (In my docs I have things like
    >> <function>vsip_<replaceable>d</replaceable>clip</function>, such that
    >> the comma would be inserted between the 'd' and the 'clip'.
    >>
    >> Stefan
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> ...ich hab' noch einen Koffer in Berlin...
    >>
    >>
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    >>
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  • 7.  Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-06-2012 02:03
    On 11/05/2012 08:37 PM, Richard Hamilton wrote:
    > I just looked at the stylesheets, and they include a parameter called function.parens, which when set will take input of the following type:
    >
    > <function>foo<replaceable>x</replaceable><replaceable>y</replaceable></function>
    > and render it as: foo(x, y).

    I see. But isn't that the wrong markup for this desired output ?
    Shouldn't that use <parameter> instead of <replaceable> ?

    > The problem seems to be that the template for d:function checks this parameter, but the template for d:function/d:replaceable (and d:function/d:parameter) doesn't . The result when function.parens is set to 0 is inconsistent.
    >
    > I think the following change would fix the problem for Stefan, and leave the capability in for anyone who wants to use function.parens:
    >
    > <xsl:template match="d:function/d:replaceable" priority="2">
    > <xsl:call-template name="inline.italicmonoseq"/>
    > <xsl:if test="$function.parens != '0' and following-sibling::*">
    > <xsl:text>, </xsl:text>
    > </xsl:if>
    > </xsl:template>
    >
    > You'd need to do the same with d:function/d:parameter, too, though it appears that parameter is not allowed inside function, so it may be a moot point.

    According to http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/parameter.html parameter is
    allowed inside function.

    But no matter what, it seems that these two usages of <replaceable> are
    radically different, which seems to suggest that I still don't fully
    grasp what a "replaceable" represents.

    Thanks,
    Stefan

    --

    ...ich hab' noch einen Koffer in Berlin...




  • 8.  Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-06-2012 18:54
    > According to http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/parameter.html parameter is
    > allowed inside function.

    More research shows that parameter is allowed in function DocBook 4, but not
    DocBook 5. In DocBook 4, function could contain all kinds of elements, and
    it was apparently used to present function syntax as well, based on that
    early stylesheet template.

    It seems that the elements for documenting function syntax were changed
    significantly in DocBook 5. To show the syntax of a function in DocBook 5,
    you should use funcsynopsis. The function element itself is now only used to
    name a function, typically inline, so that is why parameter is no longer
    allowed in function.

    Regarding the semantics of replaceable, I use it when I need to indicate
    user input in which the text that is shown would not make sense if used
    literally. So I don't think it would be used for function parameters, which
    do make sense as variables in an expression. I would use it for
    <replaceable>login-name</replaceable> and such, where if the user types
    "login-name" it would not work. Hope that helps.

    Bob Stayton
    Sagehill Enterprises
    bobs@sagehill.net

    --------------------------------------------------
    From: "Stefan Seefeld" <stefan@seefeld.name>
    Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:02 PM
    To: "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net>
    Cc: "Bob Stayton" <bobs@sagehill.net>; "DocBook Apps Mailing List"
    <docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    > On 11/05/2012 08:37 PM, Richard Hamilton wrote:
    >> I just looked at the stylesheets, and they include a parameter called
    >> function.parens, which when set will take input of the following type:
    >>
    >> <function>foo<replaceable>x</replaceable><replaceable>y</replaceable></function>
    >> and render it as: foo(x, y).
    >
    > I see. But isn't that the wrong markup for this desired output ?
    > Shouldn't that use <parameter> instead of <replaceable> ?
    >
    >> The problem seems to be that the template for d:function checks this
    >> parameter, but the template for d:function/d:replaceable (and
    >> d:function/d:parameter) doesn't . The result when function.parens is set
    >> to 0 is inconsistent.
    >>
    >> I think the following change would fix the problem for Stefan, and leave
    >> the capability in for anyone who wants to use function.parens:
    >>
    >> <xsl:template match="d:function/d:replaceable" priority="2">
    >> <xsl:call-template name="inline.italicmonoseq"/>
    >> <xsl:if test="$function.parens != '0' and following-sibling::*">
    >> <xsl:text>, </xsl:text>
    >> </xsl:if>
    >> </xsl:template>
    >>
    >> You'd need to do the same with d:function/d:parameter, too, though it
    >> appears that parameter is not allowed inside function, so it may be a
    >> moot point.
    >
    > According to http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/parameter.html parameter is
    > allowed inside function.
    >
    > But no matter what, it seems that these two usages of <replaceable> are
    > radically different, which seems to suggest that I still don't fully
    > grasp what a "replaceable" represents.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Stefan
    >
    > --
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  • 9.  Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-06-2012 19:02
    On 11/06/2012 01:54 PM, Bob Stayton wrote:
    >> According to http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/parameter.html parameter is
    >> allowed inside function.
    >
    > More research shows that parameter is allowed in function DocBook 4,
    > but not DocBook 5. In DocBook 4, function could contain all kinds of
    > elements, and it was apparently used to present function syntax as
    > well, based on that early stylesheet template.
    >
    > It seems that the elements for documenting function syntax were
    > changed significantly in DocBook 5. To show the syntax of a function
    > in DocBook 5, you should use funcsynopsis. The function element itself
    > is now only used to name a function, typically inline, so that is why
    > parameter is no longer allowed in function.

    Right, that's exactly how I use the markup. Thanks for confirming that.

    >
    > Regarding the semantics of replaceable, I use it when I need to
    > indicate user input in which the text that is shown would not make
    > sense if used literally. So I don't think it would be used for
    > function parameters, which do make sense as variables in an
    > expression. I would use it for <replaceable>login-name</replaceable>
    > and such, where if the user types "login-name" it would not work. Hope
    > that helps.

    That all sounds good to me. Thanks.

    I'm still rather uneasy with the stylesheet's attempt to synthesize
    language-specific syntax with all the synopsis markup elements. But that
    really is an entirely separate discussion. (And a while ago we have
    worked on an extension vocabulary to add proper support for modeling (at
    least C and C++).

    So, I think it would be best if <replaceable> would not attempt to
    synthesize programming-language syntax. But the solution to
    conditionalize that behavior based on an attribute setting also sounds
    like a good fix.

    Thanks,
    Stefan

    --

    ...ich hab' noch einen Koffer in Berlin...




  • 10.  Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-06-2012 19:12
    Hi Dick,
    Thanks for noticing that the comma insertion should be controlled by the
    'function.parens' stylesheet param. I made the fix that you suggested to
    make the comma conditional on that param. By default, the commas will be
    off now, as they should be.

    Bob Stayton
    Sagehill Enterprises
    bobs@sagehill.net

    --------------------------------------------------
    From: "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net>
    Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:37 PM
    To: "Bob Stayton" <bobs@sagehill.net>
    Cc: "Stefan Seefeld" <stefan@seefeld.name>; "DocBook Apps Mailing List"
    <docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    > I missed that this only happened when there was a sibling. The example I
    > tried only had one instance of replaceable embedded. When I added a second
    > instance, it worked exactly as Stefan describes. Sorry for any confusion.
    >
    > To complete what I suspect Bob was going to suggest, you can add a
    > template to your customization that removes this behavior (the template
    > below would do the job).
    >
    > I just looked at the stylesheets, and they include a parameter called
    > function.parens, which when set will take input of the following type:
    >
    > <function>foo<replaceable>x</replaceable><replaceable>y</replaceable></function>
    > and render it as: foo(x, y).
    >
    > The problem seems to be that the template for d:function checks this
    > parameter, but the template for d:function/d:replaceable (and
    > d:function/d:parameter) doesn't . The result when function.parens is set
    > to 0 is inconsistent.
    >
    > I think the following change would fix the problem for Stefan, and leave
    > the capability in for anyone who wants to use function.parens:
    >
    > <xsl:template match="d:function/d:replaceable" priority="2">
    > <xsl:call-template name="inline.italicmonoseq"/>
    > <xsl:if test="$function.parens != '0' and following-sibling::*">
    > <xsl:text>, </xsl:text>
    > </xsl:if>
    > </xsl:template>
    >
    > You'd need to do the same with d:function/d:parameter, too, though it
    > appears that parameter is not allowed inside function, so it may be a moot
    > point.
    >
    > Dick
    > -------
    > XML Press
    > XML for Technical Communicators
    > http://xmlpress.net
    > hamilton@xmlpress.net
    >
    >
    >
    > On Nov 5, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Bob Stayton wrote:
    >
    >> I checked the archives, and apparently these templates that add a comma
    >> in the context of the function element were added very early in the XSL
    >> development, back in 2001. Given the variety of elements that function
    >> can contain, including indexterms,and the variety of contexts in which
    >> function can appear, including para, does anyone think these generated
    >> commas are appropriate? Are there more restricted contexts where they
    >> might be appropriate? If we eliminate the generated commas, would that
    >> mess up a lot of output?
    >>
    >> For now, I would suggest that you
    >>
    >> Bob Stayton
    >> Sagehill Enterprises
    >> bobs@sagehill.net
    >>
    >> --------------------------------------------------
    >> From: "Stefan Seefeld" <stefan@seefeld.name>
    >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:05 PM
    >> To: "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net>
    >> Cc: "DocBook Apps Mailing List" <docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org>
    >> Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.
    >>
    >>> On 11/05/2012 06:50 PM, Richard Hamilton wrote:
    >>>> Hi Stefan,
    >>>>
    >>>> I suspect the problem is in your customization. I just tried this with
    >>>> 1.77.1 (PDF and HTML), and there were no commas inserted in the output.
    >>>
    >>> Hi Richard,
    >>>
    >>> thanks for following up so quickly. I don't yet use a customization for
    >>> this. Please have a look at either the fo/inline.xsl or html/inline.xsl
    >>> stylesheets and look for the template matching
    >>> "d:function/d:replaceable". It does indeed add a comma if there is more
    >>> content after the replaceable element:
    >>>
    >>> <xsl:template match="d:function/d:replaceable" priority="2">
    >>> <xsl:call-template name="inline.italicmonoseq"/>
    >>> <xsl:if test="following-sibling::*">
    >>> <xsl:text>, </xsl:text>
    >>> </xsl:if>
    >>> </xsl:template>
    >>>
    >>> (In my docs I have things like
    >>> <function>vsip_<replaceable>d</replaceable>clip</function>, such that
    >>> the comma would be inserted between the 'd' and the 'clip'.
    >>>
    >>> Stefan
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>>
    >>> ...ich hab' noch einen Koffer in Berlin...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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    >>>
    >>>
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  • 11.  Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.

    Posted 11-06-2012 22:09
    Hi Bob,

    Glad to help.

    Looking at the rest of this thread, it is interesting that in DB 5, parameter is not allowed in function. I don't see a problem allowing replaceable, but if we want to preserve the usefulness of the function.parens capability, it might be worth considering allowing parameter back in.

    Can you add a discussion of this question to the agenda for the next TC meeting? Then if the TC thinks we should go forward, I'd be glad to file an RFE.

    Best regards,
    Dick
    -------
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    hamilton@xmlpress.net



    On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Bob Stayton wrote:

    > Hi Dick,
    > Thanks for noticing that the comma insertion should be controlled by the 'function.parens' stylesheet param. I made the fix that you suggested to make the comma conditional on that param. By default, the commas will be off now, as they should be.
    >
    > Bob Stayton
    > Sagehill Enterprises
    > bobs@sagehill.net
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------
    > From: "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net>
    > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:37 PM
    > To: "Bob Stayton" <bobs@sagehill.net>
    > Cc: "Stefan Seefeld" <stefan@seefeld.name>; "DocBook Apps Mailing List" <docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org>
    > Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.
    >
    >> I missed that this only happened when there was a sibling. The example I tried only had one instance of replaceable embedded. When I added a second instance, it worked exactly as Stefan describes. Sorry for any confusion.
    >>
    >> To complete what I suspect Bob was going to suggest, you can add a template to your customization that removes this behavior (the template below would do the job).
    >>
    >> I just looked at the stylesheets, and they include a parameter called function.parens, which when set will take input of the following type:
    >>
    >> <function>foo<replaceable>x</replaceable><replaceable>y</replaceable></function>
    >> and render it as: foo(x, y).
    >>
    >> The problem seems to be that the template for d:function checks this parameter, but the template for d:function/d:replaceable (and d:function/d:parameter) doesn't . The result when function.parens is set to 0 is inconsistent.
    >>
    >> I think the following change would fix the problem for Stefan, and leave the capability in for anyone who wants to use function.parens:
    >>
    >> <xsl:template match="d:function/d:replaceable" priority="2">
    >> <xsl:call-template name="inline.italicmonoseq"/>
    >> <xsl:if test="$function.parens != '0' and following-sibling::*">
    >> <xsl:text>, </xsl:text>
    >> </xsl:if>
    >> </xsl:template>
    >>
    >> You'd need to do the same with d:function/d:parameter, too, though it appears that parameter is not allowed inside function, so it may be a moot point.
    >>
    >> Dick
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    >> On Nov 5, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Bob Stayton wrote:
    >>
    >>> I checked the archives, and apparently these templates that add a comma in the context of the function element were added very early in the XSL development, back in 2001. Given the variety of elements that function can contain, including indexterms,and the variety of contexts in which function can appear, including para, does anyone think these generated commas are appropriate? Are there more restricted contexts where they might be appropriate? If we eliminate the generated commas, would that mess up a lot of output?
    >>>
    >>> For now, I would suggest that you
    >>>
    >>> Bob Stayton
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    >>> From: "Stefan Seefeld" <stefan@seefeld.name>
    >>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:05 PM
    >>> To: "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net>
    >>> Cc: "DocBook Apps Mailing List" <docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org>
    >>> Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] semantics of "replaceable" element.
    >>>
    >>>> On 11/05/2012 06:50 PM, Richard Hamilton wrote:
    >>>>> Hi Stefan,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I suspect the problem is in your customization. I just tried this with 1.77.1 (PDF and HTML), and there were no commas inserted in the output.
    >>>>
    >>>> Hi Richard,
    >>>>
    >>>> thanks for following up so quickly. I don't yet use a customization for
    >>>> this. Please have a look at either the fo/inline.xsl or html/inline.xsl
    >>>> stylesheets and look for the template matching
    >>>> "d:function/d:replaceable". It does indeed add a comma if there is more
    >>>> content after the replaceable element:
    >>>>
    >>>> <xsl:template match="d:function/d:replaceable" priority="2">
    >>>> <xsl:call-template name="inline.italicmonoseq"/>
    >>>> <xsl:if test="following-sibling::*">
    >>>> <xsl:text>, </xsl:text>
    >>>> </xsl:if>
    >>>> </xsl:template>
    >>>>
    >>>> (In my docs I have things like
    >>>> <function>vsip_<replaceable>d</replaceable>clip</function>, such that
    >>>> the comma would be inserted between the 'd' and the 'clip'.
    >>>>
    >>>> Stefan
    >>>>
    >>>> --
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