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  • 1.  Better-looking DocBook XSL-FO stylesheets?

    Posted 03-04-2007 19:10
    Hi,

    It's been several years and the XSL-for-FO/PDF still very plain yet with
    fine functionality.

    I've been searching for "better"-looking XSL stylesheets (like those used by
    commercial publishers), but haven't found any.

    I wonder if there is already work on producing [open-source] customized
    stylesheets from the official DocBook XSL so that people will have more fun
    writing their books. :-)

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  • 2.  Re: [docbook-apps] Better-looking DocBook XSL-FO stylesheets?

    Posted 03-04-2007 19:14
    Hendy Irawan wrote:

    > I wonder if there is already work on producing [open-source] customized
    > stylesheets from the official DocBook XSL so that people will have more fun
    > writing their books. :-)
    >

    Define more fun.


    regards

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  • 3.  Re: [docbook-apps] Better-looking DocBook XSL-FO stylesheets?

    Posted 03-04-2007 19:18
    Hendy Irawan wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > It's been several years and the XSL-for-FO/PDF still very plain yet with
    > fine functionality.
    >
    > I've been searching for "better"-looking XSL stylesheets (like those
    > used by commercial publishers), but haven't found any.
    >
    > I wonder if there is already work on producing [open-source] customized
    > stylesheets from the official DocBook XSL so that people will have more
    > fun writing their books. :-)

    What about starting with more functional Free fo processors, first ? :-)

    Regards,
    Stefan

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  • 4.  Re: [docbook-apps] Better-looking DocBook XSL-FO stylesheets?

    Posted 03-05-2007 05:59
    On Sunday 04 March 2007 21:10, Hendy Irawan wrote:
    > It's been several years and the XSL-for-FO/PDF still very plain yet with
    > fine functionality.
    >
    > I've been searching for "better"-looking XSL stylesheets (like those used
    > by commercial publishers), but haven't found any.
    >
    > I wonder if there is already work on producing [open-source] customized
    > stylesheets from the official DocBook XSL so that people will have more fun
    > writing their books. :-)

    The stylesheets are fine.

    The fun is in making your own custom layers.
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  • 5.  Re: [docbook-apps] Better-looking DocBook XSL-FO stylesheets?

    Posted 03-05-2007 09:42
    Hendy Irawan wrote:

    > I've been searching for "better"-looking XSL stylesheets (like those
    > used by
    > commercial publishers), but haven't found any.

    But each publisher has different style because each graphic designer has
    different opinion about good book design. You can hardly create
    something what will satisfy anyone. Stylesheets thus generate quite
    plain output which is easy to customize.

    > I wonder if there is already work on producing [open-source] customized
    > stylesheets from the official DocBook XSL so that people will have more fun
    > writing their books. :-)

    I suppose that almost each project which is using DocBook and FO for
    generating printed output uses more or less customized stylesheets.

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  • 6.  RE: [docbook-apps] Better-looking DocBook XSL-FO stylesheets?

    Posted 03-05-2007 13:21
    >> I suppose that almost each project which is using DocBook and FO for
    generating printed output uses more or less customized stylesheets. <<

    I don't believe the issue is capability; substantial tailoring can be
    obtained from the stringparms. This, combined with the stability and
    maturity of the stylesheets is a boon to most of us. However stylesheet
    customizations are another story. Unless one is proficient in stylesheet
    development and has extensive Docbook stylesheet understanding,
    customization can be a daunting experience. While Bob Stayton's book is
    a tremendous asset and considered by many (including me) as prerequisite
    to any stylesheet customization attempt, the complexity of the Docbook
    stylesheets is the core issue. I continue to struggle with customization
    and believe a more uniform template structure (naming included) that
    supports simple wrapping is warranted. Currently, one must endeavor to
    trace the call-templates, apply-templates and template matches to
    ascertain why a simple customization has failed to yield the desired
    results.

    Maybe something to consider for 2.0

    Ray




  • 7.  Re: [docbook-apps] Better-looking DocBook XSL-FO stylesheets?

    Posted 03-05-2007 14:15
    Miller, Ray (Centech) wrote:
    >>> I suppose that almost each project which is using DocBook and FO for
    > generating printed output uses more or less customized stylesheets. <<
    >
    > I don't believe the issue is capability; substantial tailoring can be
    > obtained from the stringparms. This, combined with the stability and
    > maturity of the stylesheets is a boon to most of us. However stylesheet
    > customizations are another story. Unless one is proficient in stylesheet
    > development and has extensive Docbook stylesheet understanding,
    > customization can be a daunting experience. While Bob Stayton's book is
    > a tremendous asset and considered by many (including me) as prerequisite
    > to any stylesheet customization attempt, the complexity of the Docbook
    > stylesheets is the core issue. I continue to struggle with customization
    > and believe a more uniform template structure (naming included) that
    > supports simple wrapping is warranted. Currently, one must endeavor to
    > trace the call-templates, apply-templates and template matches to
    > ascertain why a simple customization has failed to yield the desired
    > results.


    You can't have it both ways Ray.
    The complexity (== flexibility and coverage) of docbook makes it
    useful.

    If you simplified the element structure, you'd lose that.
    The stylesheets would be easier to use, easier to trace etc,
    but the end result wouldn't be as good.

    If more people helped document the customisation, tdg etc
    then there would be more help to users of the schema and
    stylesheets.

    I guess we're getting back what we put in, like most
    open software?


    regards

    --
    Dave Pawson
    XSLT XSL-FO FAQ.
    http://www.dpawson.co.uk



  • 8.  Re: [docbook-apps] Better-looking DocBook XSL-FO stylesheets?

    Posted 03-05-2007 14:36
    On 3/5/07, Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz> wrote:
    > Hendy Irawan wrote:
    >
    > > I've been searching for "better"-looking XSL stylesheets (like those
    > > used by
    > > commercial publishers), but haven't found any.
    >
    > But each publisher has different style because each graphic designer has
    > different opinion about good book design. You can hardly create
    > something what will satisfy anyone. Stylesheets thus generate quite
    > plain output which is easy to customize.

    Another thing to consider is that commercial publishers may not want
    to release their exact customizations because that would allow anyone
    to create a PDF using their exact design (with possible ill intent).


    Keith


    Keith