On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 02:09:18PM +0900, David Stevens wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 1:06?PM Zhu, Lingshan <
lingshan.zhu@intel.com> wrote:
> > On 2/19/2024 2:46 PM, David Stevens wrote:
> > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 11:11?PM Michael S. Tsirkin <
mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 09:23:06PM +0800, Zhu Lingshan wrote:
> > >>> This commit allows the driver to suspend the device by
> > >>> introducing a new status bit SUSPEND in device_status.
> > >>>
> > >>> This commit also introduce a new feature bit VIRTIO_F_SUSPEND
> > >>> which indicating whether the device support SUSPEND.
> > >>>
> > >>> This SUSPEND bit is transport-independent.
> > >>>
> > >>> Signed-off-by: Zhu Lingshan <
lingshan.zhu@intel.com>
> > >>> Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <
jasowang@redhat.com>
> > >>> Signed-off-by: Eugenio Pérez <
eperezma@redhat.com>
> > >> Could we get some kind of dscription how this has taken into
> > >> consideration the proposal from David Stevens?
> > >>
> > >> I find it really tiring when there are competing patches with authors
> > >> ignoring each other's work and leaving it up to reviewers to
> > >> figure out how do the patches compare.
> > > This patch looks like it could be used to implement my use case.
> > > However, parts of it are a bit vague and imprecise, so it's hard to
> > > actually say whether my use case would actually be covered by a
> > > specific implementation of this proposal.
> > I am on vacation till this Friday. Shall we co-work on this and
> > post something new together?
>
> That works for me.
>
> > >
> > > To give specifics on what I'm trying to do, I need to allow a guest
> > > with virtio-pci devices (including stateful devices like virtio-fs and
> > > virtio-gpu) to be put into S1/S3, and to allow the virtio-pci devices
> > > to wake up the guest (currently via an ACPI GPE, but eventually via a
> > > native PCI PME). This is all done on a consumer device, so there is no
> > > need for snapshotting or for live migration.
> > Suspending is not dedicated only for live migration.
> > For your use case, shall we add a new PCI section like saying: when entering
> > SUSPEND, the device should get into S1/S3 and other PCI specific steps
> > in PCI transport charter.
> >
> > That is because PCI is a transport layer of virtio, controlling virtio
> > states by PCI sounds like a layer violation.
>
> I don't know if it's really necessary to mandate that in the spec.
> Sure, most systems are probably going to want to put the virtio-pci
> device into S1/S3 after suspending virtio operation. But nothing
> really breaks or goes wrong if we don't do that.
What I feel is worth mentioning in virtio spec is that just setting the
status bit does not reduce power by itself, standard pci
control is required for that.
> > >
> > >>> ---
> > >>> content.tex | 34 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> > >>> 1 file changed, 32 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > >>>
> > >>> diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
> > >>> index 0a62dce..3d656b5 100644
> > >>> --- a/content.tex
> > >>> +++ b/content.tex
> > >>> @@ -49,6 +49,9 @@ \section{\field{Device Status} Field}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Dev
> > >>>
> > >>> \item[DEVICE_NEEDS_RESET (64)] Indicates that the device has experienced
> > >>> an error from which it can't recover.
> > >>> +
> > >>> +\item[SUSPEND (16)] When VIRTIO_F_SUSPEND is negotiated, indicates that the
> > >>> + device has been suspended by the driver.
> > >>> \end{description}
> > >>>
> > >>> The \field{device status} field starts out as 0, and is reinitialized to 0 by
> > >>> @@ -73,6 +76,10 @@ \section{\field{Device Status} Field}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Dev
> > >>> recover by issuing a reset.
> > >>> \end{note}
> > >>>
> > >>> +The driver SHOULD NOT set SUSPEND if FEATURES_OK is not set.
> > >>> +
> > >>> +When setting SUSPEND, the driver MUST re-read \field{device status} to ensure the SUSPEND bit is set.
> > >>> +
> > >>> \devicenormative{\subsection}{Device Status Field}{Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Device Status Field}
> > >>>
> > >>> The device MUST NOT consume buffers or send any used buffer
> > >>> @@ -82,6 +89,25 @@ \section{\field{Device Status} Field}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Dev
> > >>> that a reset is needed. If DRIVER_OK is set, after it sets DEVICE_NEEDS_RESET, the device
> > >>> MUST send a device configuration change notification to the driver.
> > >>>
> > >>> +The device MUST ignore SUSPEND if FEATURES_OK is not set.
> > >>> +
> > >>> +The device MUST ignore SUSPEND if VIRTIO_F_SUSPEND is not negotiated.
> > >>> +
> > >>> +The device SHOULD allow settings to \field{device status} even when SUSPEND is set.
> > >>> +
> > >>> +If VIRTIO_F_SUSPEND is negotiated and SUSPEND is set, the device SHOULD clear SUSPEND
> > >>> +and resumes operation upon DRIVER_OK.
> > >>> +
> > >>> +If VIRTIO_F_SUSPEND is negotiated, when the driver sets SUSPEND,
> > >>> +the device SHOULD perform the following actions before presenting SUSPEND bit in the \field{device status}:
> > >>> +
> > >>> +\begin{itemize}
> > >>> +\item Stop consuming buffers of any virtqueues and mark all finished descriptors as used.
> > >>> +\item Wait until all descriptors that being processed to finish and mark them as used.
> > >>> +\item Flush all used buffer and send used buffer notifications to the driver.
> > > What's the difference between the previous three lines? They might be
> > > trying to say different things, but there is a lot of overlap in how
> > > they're phrased. That makes it hard to figure out exactly what they're
> > > mandating. Is it something like: "stop processing new buffers",
> > > "finish processing any buffers that are currently in flight", "mark
> > > all finished buffers as used and send a used buffer notification"?
> > sure, the "mark used" parts can merge.
> > >
> > > Also, what does this mean for devices where the driver places empty
> > > buffers into the virtqueue that the device then holds on to for an
> > > indeterminate period of time (e.g. network receiveq, balloon statsq,
> > > etc)?
> > The device doesn't process them.
> > Oh, I should add: The driver should not make any more buffers available
> > to the device.
> > >
> > >>> +\item Pause its operation except \field{device status} and preserve configurations in its Device Configuration Space, see \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Device Configuration Space}
> > > What does "Pause its operation except device status" mean? The word
> > > "operation" is vague, what exactly does it include? Also what does
> > > "operate its device status" mean?
> > Because we need to resume the device after suspending it by setting
> > DRIVER_OK, so we need the device status
> > filed keel alive.
>
> This doesn't answer what "Pause its operation" means. If the
> specification is not precise, then the best that can be implemented is
> for a specific device to be compatible with a specific driver. If we
> actually want portable, spec-compliant devices, we need explicitly
> defined MUST/MUST NOT requirements. Presumably we want something like:
>
> A device MUST not send notifications while suspended.
> A device MUST ignore writes to its device configuration while
> suspended, except for writes to the device status byte.
> A driver MUST NOT write to a suspended device's configuration space,
> except for the device status byte.
>
> We also need to specify what a suspended device is allowed to do with
> buffers it owns. For my use case of just suspending/resuming a VM, I
> don't think it particularly matters if a suspended device writes to
> buffers or descriptors while it is suspended. But based on what you
> wrote about finishing any in-flight processing of buffers and not
> processing any empty buffers, presumably you would prefer that the
> device not be allowed to access buffer/descriptors while it is
> suspended? That approach is probably cleaner from a pure specification
> standpoint, but it's also more restrictive for devices and thus harder
> to properly implement.
>
> -David
Of course it's a bit harder. It does not sound too restrictive
to me: as driver will not be adding new buffers, if device is
still processing queues just defer setting the bit until it does not.