Marty,
I respectfully disagree. We have included two normative bindings to
specific communication protocols and left the door purposefully open to any
and all other communication protocols. It is possible to implement
ebXML-MSH using a JMS provider today.
I also disagree we decided ebXML Reliable Messaging was required for ebXML
Message Order. In fact, Shimamura-san and I went through some rewording of
his clarifications to avoid that requirement. The ebXML specification has
explicitly recognised the possibility of other communication protocols in
the past, including those that provide reliability. We were working to
ensure the message ordering text wasn't a glaring exception.
David,
Recognising the possibility of communication protocols that provide both
reliability and message ordering is very different than making a required
association between the two features. Just as ebXML Reliable Messaging is
intended to supplement features available in the communication protocol, so
should ebXML Message Order be used. For example, one of the many SOAP
extensions might provide one feature but not the other.
All,
My recommendation is to change paragraph 1 in section 10 to also allow
non-ebXML Reliable Messaging combined with ebXML Message Order.
thanx,
doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin W Sachs" <mwsachs@us.ibm.com>
To: "David Fischer" <david@drummondgroup.com>
Cc: "Miller, Robert (GXS)" <Robert.Miller@gxs.ge.com>; "ebxml-msg"
<ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2001 06:03
Subject: RE: [ebxml-msg] Message Order Inconsistency section 10 pp's 1,2
I thought that we had already agreed on: "if eb:MessageOrder is used, then
eb Reliable Messaging should be used as well."
Since we haven't identified and don't have bindings for any other RM
protocols, the issue is moot.
Regards,
Marty
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David Fischer <david@drummondgroup.com> on 12/10/2001 10:36:22 PM
To: "Miller, Robert (GXS)" <Robert.Miller@gxs.ge.com>, ebxml-msg
<ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org>
cc:
Subject: RE: [ebxml-msg] Message Order Inconsistency section 10 pp's 1,2
Yes, I think you are right. We talked about other RM mechanisms but then
someone pointed out, the other RM mechanism will probably deliver in order
as well so there is no need for eb:MessageOrder.
IMO, if eb:MessageOrder is used, then eb Reliable Messaging should be used
as well.
Thoughts, Comments, Objections?
Regards,
David Fischer
Drummond Group
ebXML-MS Editor.
-----Original Message-----
From: Miller, Robert (GXS) [mailto:Robert.Miller@gxs.ge.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:37 PM
To: ebxml-msg
Subject: [ebxml-msg] Message Order Inconsistency section 10 pp's 1,2
Section 10 paragraph 2 MessageOrder module SHOULD only be used in
conjunction with a reliable messaging mechanism ..." conflicts with
paragraph 1 "... Reliable Messaging MUST be used when a MessageOrder
element is present."
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