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Subject: RE: [ebxml-msg] What Next?




From: Cliff Collins <collinsc@sybase.com>
To: dick@systrends.com, David Fischer <david@drummondgroup.com>,ian.c.jones@bt.com, ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:46:50 -0700






Title: RE: [ebxml-msg] What Next?



3 
reasons. 
 

1. 
This doesn't encode the SOAP Envelope. If you want to obscure this information 
(the manifest information, etc) you need to encrypt the entire 
message.
2. What about 
SMTP?
3. 
What about multihop? Maybe you don't want the information available at the 
intermediate hop.
 
Cliff

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Brooks 
  [mailto:dick@systrends.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:28 
  AM
To: David Fischer; ian.c.jones@bt.com; 
  ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-msg] What 
  Next?


  
David,
  
 
  
I'm 
  unclear why encapsulation is necessary to encrypt entire messages, especially 
  if a payload item is already encrypted. It seems SSL would provide 
  sufficient encryption of an entire message, including MIME headers. 
  
  
 
  
I 
  could see using S/MIME of OpenPGP to digitally sign an entire message, 
  but SSL should be sufficient for encryption 
  purposes.
  
 
  
Am I 
  missing something?
  
Dick Brooks
Systrends, Inc
7855 South River Parkway, 
  Suite 111
Tempe, Arizona 85284
Web: www.systrends.com <http://www.systrends.com>
Phone:480.756.6777,Mobile:205-790-1542,eFax:240-352-0714
  
  
  

    
-----Original Message-----
From: David Fischer 
    [mailto:david@drummondgroup.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 
    10:06 AM
To: ian.c.jones@bt.com; 
    ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-msg] What 
    Next?


    
We need to consider Encapsulation again.  This has a 
    number of potential uses: 
    
        Encryption 
    (encrypt the entire document including MIME headers)
        Forwarding/Multi-hop (especially with the identified problems with 
    Signatures)
        Third-Party Processing (Intermediate Timestamps...)
        Chunking 
    (sending extremely large files in pieces) 
    
I am sure there will be others. 
    
We used this concept in the UCC Interop test to do 
    encryption and it worked
quite well.  See 
    document attached. 
    
Regards, 
    
David Fischer
Drummond Group. 
    
    
-----Original Message-----
From: 
    ian.c.jones@bt.com [mailto:ian.c.jones@bt.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:52 AM
To: ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: 
    [ebxml-msg] What Next? 

Team, 
    
        I hope you have 
    all had a pleasant break over the last couple of
weeks.  As the title says what do we do next?  It is up to 
    you, but here are
some ideas to start with. 
    
    
1 - we MUST capture, answer and resolve any question and 
    issues during the 3
month public review of version 
    2.0
2 - The IIC TC would like to produce a 
    conformance test/suite/documentation
for version 
    2.0, they will obvious need help from us to do this.
3 - The Business interface layer has never been written - do we need 
    it?
4 - A primer/introduction to the messaging 
    service
5 - A document to describe the minimum 
    implementation.  This may be linked
to the IIC 
    TC point above. 
    
Question: - Do we still have outstanding requirements that 
    still need to be
addressed? i.e. a definable 
    business need for them. 
    
        Over to all of 
    you for comments. 
    
Ian Jones
Chair OASIS ebXML 
    Messaging Services TC 
    
Email: ian.c.jones@bt.com 

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