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Re: [ebxml-msg] Can an MSH send a sync ack and then an async response?

  • 1.  Re: [ebxml-msg] Can an MSH send a sync ack and then an async response?

    Posted 01-18-2002 20:27
    Cliff:
    
    The syncReplyMode value of "mshSignalsOnly" was agreed by the team during
    the conference call of 10/22/2001. See
    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-msg/200110/msg00174.html.
    
    The sentence on lines 1632-1634 may cause some confusion:
    
    "If the syncReplyMode is not none, a SyncReply element MUST be present and
    the MSH must return any response from the application or business process in
    the payload of the synchronous reply message, as appropriate."
    
    If syncReplyMode is mshSignalsOnly, response from the application or
    business process would not be contained in the synchronous reply message,
    only the MSH level Acknowledgment would be returned synchronously; business
    signals and response have to be returned asynchronously.
    
    I agree with Ralph that this is a reasonable behaviour that should be
    configurable. We may need to rephrase the sentence on lines 1632-1634 to
    allow this to happen.
    
    -Arvola
    
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Cliff Collins" <collinsc@sybase.com>
    To: "Arvola Chan" <arvola@tibco.com>; "Cherian Sanjay"
    <Sanjay_Cherian@stercomm.com>; <ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 1:11 PM
    Subject: RE: [ebxml-msg] Can an MSH send a sync ack and then an async
    response?
    
    
    > Doesn't this conflict with the MS 2.0 spec and indirectly change the
    > functionality of a MSH without the MS team voting on it?
    >
    > MS Lines 1632-1643 (section 7.4.7) would be in conflict with the CPA
    1.1/2.0
    > and would need to change.
    >
    > Cliff
    >
    >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Arvola Chan [mailto:arvola@tibco.com]
    > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 1:03 PM
    > > To: Cherian Sanjay; ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org;
    > > ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org
    > > Subject: Re: [ebxml-msg] Can an MSH send a sync ack and then an async
    > > response?
    > >
    > >
    > > Sanjay:
    > >
    > > The next version of the CPP/A spec (don't yet know whether it is
    > > going to be
    > > called 1.1 or 2.0, but due end of 2/2002) that the ebxml-cppa TC
    > > is working
    > > on will have an additional synchronous reply mode defined,
    > > "mshSignalsOnly".
    > > In that mode, the receiver is expected to return the Acknowledgment
    > > synchronously, and then any business level signal or response
    > > asynchronously.
    > >
    > > -Arvola
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Cherian, Sanjay" <Sanjay_Cherian@stercomm.com>
    > > To: <ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org>
    > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:08 PM
    > > Subject: [ebxml-msg] Can an MSH send a sync ack and then an async
    > > response?
    > >
    > >
    > > > Hi,
    > > >
    > > > The question is 'Can an MSH send a sync ack and then an async
    response?'
    > > >
    > > > Lines 1632-1643 (section 7.4.7) in ebMS v2.0 states:
    > > >
    > > > If the syncReplyMode parameter is not none, a SyncReply element MUST
    > > > be present and the MSH must return any response from the application
    or
    > > > business process in the payload of the synchronous reply message, as
    > > > appropriate.
    > > >
    > > > It would seem useful if the MSH could return the ack message
    > > synchronously,
    > > > close the HTTP connection and
    > > > then send the business signal and/or response asynchronously.  This is
    > > > necessary if the business process is
    > > > long lived.  It also seems necessary for reliable messaging to work
    with
    > > > SyncReply set.
    > > >
    > > > I would greatly appreciate an answer.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks a lot in advance.
    > > >
    > > > Regards,
    > > > Sanjay J. Cherian
    > > > Sterling Commerce,
    > > > Irving, TX
    > > >
    > > >
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