OASIS XML Localisation Interchange File Format (XLIFF) TC

  • 1.  Question about note references

    Posted 06-25-2015 21:02
    Hi TC folks,   Can you clarify for me how notes should be referenced? For example:   <notes>   <noted id=”n1”>Note 1</note>   <noted id=”n2”>Note 2</note>   <noted id=”n3”>Note 3</note>   <noted id=”n4”>Note 4</note> </notes> <segment id=”1”>   <source><mrk type=”comment” ref=”#n1”>Hello World 1</mrk></source </segment> <segment id=”2”>   <source>Hello <mrk type=”comment” ref=”#n2”>World 2</mrk></source </segment> <segment id=”3”>   <source>Hello World 3</source </segment> <segment id=”4”>   <source>Hello World 4</source </segment>   It seems clear to me that “Note 1” only applies to the whole segment “Hello World 1”. It also seems clear to me that “Note 2” only applies to the substring “World 2”. I think that the intent is that both “Note 3” and “Note 4” apply to both “Hello World 3” and “Hello World 4” because there are no explicit references. I am unsure, however, whether both “Note 3” and “Note 4” also apply to “Hello World 2” as a whole segment.   Thanks for the clarification, Ryan  


  • 2.  RE: [xliff] Question about note references

    Posted 06-28-2015 04:32
    Hi Ryan, all   I think it is undefined to what both Note 3 and Note 4 apply since they don’t have an appliesTo attribute and such attribute has no default. Therefore IMO they apply to the unit in general.   -ys     From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Ryan King Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:02 PM To: 'xliff@lists.oasis-open.org' Subject: [xliff] Question about note references   Hi TC folks,   Can you clarify for me how notes should be referenced? For example:   <notes>   <noted id=”n1”>Note 1</note>   <noted id=”n2”>Note 2</note>   <noted id=”n3”>Note 3</note>   <noted id=”n4”>Note 4</note> </notes> <segment id=”1”>   <source><mrk type=”comment” ref=”#n1”>Hello World 1</mrk></source </segment> <segment id=”2”>   <source>Hello <mrk type=”comment” ref=”#n2”>World 2</mrk></source </segment> <segment id=”3”>   <source>Hello World 3</source </segment> <segment id=”4”>   <source>Hello World 4</source </segment>   It seems clear to me that “Note 1” only applies to the whole segment “Hello World 1”. It also seems clear to me that “Note 2” only applies to the substring “World 2”. I think that the intent is that both “Note 3” and “Note 4” apply to both “Hello World 3” and “Hello World 4” because there are no explicit references. I am unsure, however, whether both “Note 3” and “Note 4” also apply to “Hello World 2” as a whole segment.   Thanks for the clarification, Ryan  


  • 3.  RE: [xliff] Question about note references

    Posted 06-28-2015 04:56
    Thanks, Yves. I don't see how appliesTo applies in this case since that attribute is to specify whether the note applies to source or target text, and is not a reference to a particular segment. However, if I understood correctly, you would argue that Note 3 and 4 apply to all segments in the unit. This seems logical because they have no explicit reference to them. Thanks. Ryan From: Yves Savourel Sent: ?6/?27/?2015 9:31 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] Question about note references Hi Ryan, all   I think it is undefined to what both Note 3 and Note 4 apply since they don’t have an appliesTo attribute and such attribute has no default. Therefore IMO they apply to the unit in general.   -ys     From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Ryan King Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:02 PM To: 'xliff@lists.oasis-open.org' Subject: [xliff] Question about note references   Hi TC folks,   Can you clarify for me how notes should be referenced? For example:   <notes>   <noted id=”n1”>Note 1</note>   <noted id=”n2”>Note 2</note>   <noted id=”n3”>Note 3</note>   <noted id=”n4”>Note 4</note> </notes> <segment id=”1”>   <source><mrk type=”comment” ref=”#n1”>Hello World 1</mrk></source </segment> <segment id=”2”>   <source>Hello <mrk type=”comment” ref=”#n2”>World 2</mrk></source </segment> <segment id=”3”>   <source>Hello World 3</source </segment> <segment id=”4”>   <source>Hello World 4</source </segment>   It seems clear to me that “Note 1” only applies to the whole segment “Hello World 1”. It also seems clear to me that “Note 2” only applies to the substring “World 2”. I think that the intent is that both “Note 3” and “Note 4” apply to both “Hello World 3” and “Hello World 4” because there are no explicit references. I am unsure, however, whether both “Note 3” and “Note 4” also apply to “Hello World 2” as a whole segment.   Thanks for the clarification, Ryan  


  • 4.  RE: [QUAR] RE: [xliff] Question about note references

    Posted 06-28-2015 05:29
    Yes, you are right: appliesTo doesn’t inform about the portion of the content as a whole (segment, sub-segment, etc.). But yes, you got my meaning.   -ys   From: Ryan King [mailto:ryanki@microsoft.com] Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 6:56 AM To: Yves Savourel; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [QUAR] RE: [xliff] Question about note references   Thanks, Yves. I don't see how appliesTo applies in this case since that attribute is to specify whether the note applies to source or target text, and is not a reference to a particular segment. However, if I understood correctly, you would argue that Note 3 and 4 apply to all segments in the unit. This seems logical because they have no explicit reference to them. Thanks. Ryan From: Yves Savourel Sent: ?6/?27/?2015 9:31 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] Question about note references Hi Ryan, all   I think it is undefined to what both Note 3 and Note 4 apply since they don’t have an appliesTo attribute and such attribute has no default. Therefore IMO they apply to the unit in general.   -ys     From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Ryan King Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:02 PM To: 'xliff@lists.oasis-open.org' Subject: [xliff] Question about note references   Hi TC folks,   Can you clarify for me how notes should be referenced? For example:   <notes>   <noted id=”n1”>Note 1</note>   <noted id=”n2”>Note 2</note>   <noted id=”n3”>Note 3</note>   <noted id=”n4”>Note 4</note> </notes> <segment id=”1”>   <source><mrk type=”comment” ref=”#n1”>Hello World 1</mrk></source </segment> <segment id=”2”>   <source>Hello <mrk type=”comment” ref=”#n2”>World 2</mrk></source </segment> <segment id=”3”>   <source>Hello World 3</source </segment> <segment id=”4”>   <source>Hello World 4</source </segment>   It seems clear to me that “Note 1” only applies to the whole segment “Hello World 1”. It also seems clear to me that “Note 2” only applies to the substring “World 2”. I think that the intent is that both “Note 3” and “Note 4” apply to both “Hello World 3” and “Hello World 4” because there are no explicit references. I am unsure, however, whether both “Note 3” and “Note 4” also apply to “Hello World 2” as a whole segment.   Thanks for the clarification, Ryan  


  • 5.  Re: [xliff] RE: [QUAR] RE: [xliff] Question about note references

    Posted 06-28-2015 09:57
    If you want more fine grained pointing from notes, you will need to reference them the other way round from mrk/sm comments that reference a note in the same unit as their content.. Dr. David Filip ======================= OASIS XLIFF TC Secretary, Editor, and Liaison Officer  LRC CNGL CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone: +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile: +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto:  david.filip@ul.ie On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Yves Savourel < ysavourel@enlaso.com > wrote: Yes, you are right: appliesTo doesn’t inform about the portion of the content as a whole (segment, sub-segment, etc.). But yes, you got my meaning.   -ys   From: Ryan King [mailto: ryanki@microsoft.com ] Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 6:56 AM To: Yves Savourel; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [QUAR] RE: [xliff] Question about note references   Thanks, Yves. I don't see how appliesTo applies in this case since that attribute is to specify whether the note applies to source or target text, and is not a reference to a particular segment. However, if I understood correctly, you would argue that Note 3 and 4 apply to all segments in the unit. This seems logical because they have no explicit reference to them. Thanks. Ryan From: Yves Savourel Sent: ?6/?27/?2015 9:31 PM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] Question about note references Hi Ryan, all   I think it is undefined to what both Note 3 and Note 4 apply since they don’t have an appliesTo attribute and such attribute has no default. Therefore IMO they apply to the unit in general.   -ys     From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [ mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org ] On Behalf Of Ryan King Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:02 PM To: ' xliff@lists.oasis-open.org ' Subject: [xliff] Question about note references   Hi TC folks,   Can you clarify for me how notes should be referenced? For example:   <notes>   <noted id=”n1”>Note 1</note>   <noted id=”n2”>Note 2</note>   <noted id=”n3”>Note 3</note>   <noted id=”n4”>Note 4</note> </notes> <segment id=”1”>   <source><mrk type=”comment” ref=”#n1”>Hello World 1</mrk></source </segment> <segment id=”2”>   <source>Hello <mrk type=”comment” ref=”#n2”>World 2</mrk></source </segment> <segment id=”3”>   <source>Hello World 3</source </segment> <segment id=”4”>   <source>Hello World 4</source </segment>   It seems clear to me that “Note 1” only applies to the whole segment “Hello World 1”. It also seems clear to me that “Note 2” only applies to the substring “World 2”. I think that the intent is that both “Note 3” and “Note 4” apply to both “Hello World 3” and “Hello World 4” because there are no explicit references. I am unsure, however, whether both “Note 3” and “Note 4” also apply to “Hello World 2” as a whole segment.   Thanks for the clarification, Ryan