Hi John, Great development of ideas. It seems unfortunate that we need to create 3 (or 4) separate units for such a sample, though I couldn't see how to reduce that based on what you say. One concern is the location of the reformat attribute. The reformat that is controlling the co-ords of the image is located in the <bin-unit>, even though the co-ords themselves are in the previous <trans-unit>. Examining the trans-unit, it looks like the coords can't be changed (reformat='yes' is not present). Also, looking at the bin-unit, it looks like the mime-type can be changed (reformat='yes') Should reformat be moved to the <trans-unit> that contains the co-ords? The content of the bin-unit itself is controllable with the translate attribute, i.e. can be marked translate = yes no. <trans-unit id= 11 > <source>Click <x ctype= image rid= 12 /> to start.</source> <target></target> </trans-unit> <trans-unit id= 12 coord= #;#;35;16 reformat= coord > <source><ph id='1'><img src= javascript:void(0); image/gif rid= 13 /> alt= <sub>Start!</sub> /></ph></source> <target></target> </trans-unit> <bin-unit id= 13 mime-type= image/gif > <bin-source><external-file href= start.gif /></bin-source> </bin-unit> Enda -----Original Message----- From: John Reid [mailto:
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xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] <bin-unit> problem In our discusion about <bin-unit>, which started with my proposal to add coord to <bin-unit> and was expanded by Bryan and Yves, it struck me that having a way to reference a <bin-unit> from a <trans-unit> would solve our problem. At first I thought we could do this by adding a bin-ref attribute to <x/> that takes the <bin-unit> id value as its value. Using the following example: <p>Click <img src= javascript:void(0); alt= Start! width= 35 height= 16 /> to start.</p> We can store the width and height attributes in the coord of the <trans-unit> and move the image to a <bin-unit> that we'll reference: <trans-unit id= 11 coord= #;#;35;16 > <source>Click <ph id='1'><img src= javascript:void(0); image/gif bin-ref= 12 /></sub> alt= <sub>Start!</sub> /></ph> to start.</source> <target></target> </trans-unit> <bin-unit id= 12 mime-type= image/gif reformat= yes > <bin-source><external-file href= start.gif /></bin-source> </bin-unit> This didn't work out so well for a few reasons: 1. coord in the <trans-unit id= 11 > implies the entire text must fit in those coords, not just the image. 2. We still have to use a <sub> element for the image because an <x> cannot occur in a <ph>. 3. We have a reference id attribute, rid, used in the paired inline tags which is very similar to this bin-ref. 4. There is a <sub> for the alt text; thus, a segment within a segment. Another way to handle this is to pull the entire <img> from the source. We do this by replacing bin-ref with rid in <x>. <trans-unit id= 11 > <source>Click <x ctype= image rid= 12 /> to start.</source> <target></target> </trans-unit> <trans-unit id= 12 coord= #;#;35;16 > <source><ph id='1'><img src= javascript:void(0); image/gif rid= 13 /></sub> alt= <sub>Start!</sub> /></ph></source> <target></target> </trans-unit> <bin-unit id= 13 mime-type= image/gif reformat= yes > <bin-source><external-file href= start.gif /></bin-source> </bin-unit> Now, when the coord is reformated upon localization, the new value is stored in the target of the <trans-unit id= 12 >. We still have the two <sub> segments within the one segment but this doesn't look to be a big problem since we've isolated the the entire image tag. We could go on step farther and add the rid attribute to <sub>. Then we'd have the following. <trans-unit id= 11 > <source>Click <x ctype= image rid= 12 /> to start.</source> <target></target> </trans-unit> <trans-unit id= 12 coord= #;#;35;16 > <source><ph id='1'><img src= javascript:void(0); image/gif rid= 13 /> alt= <sub>Start!</sub> /></ph></source> <target></target> </trans-unit> <bin-unit id= 13 mime-type= image/gif reformat= yes > <bin-source><external-file href= start.gif /></bin-source> </bin-unit> This could be pushed even farther by removing the alt segment with the same technique. <trans-unit id= 11 > <source>Click <x ctype= image rid= 12 /> to start.</source> <target></target> </trans-unit> <trans-unit id= 12 coord= #;#;35;16 > <source><ph id='1'><img src= javascript:void(0); image/gif rid= 13 /> alt= <sub rid= 14 /> /></ph></source> <target></target> </trans-unit> <bin-unit id= 13 mime-type= image/gif reformat= yes > <bin-source><external-file href= start.gif /></bin-source> </bin-unit> <trans-unit id= 14 > <source>Start!</source> <target></target> </trans-unit> This is just thinking out loud. What do you think? cheers, john