John, I think it's clear that anyone can propose changes. As you point out, I have been quite vocal -- and quite specific -- about the problems in the existing spec, and it's only fair that the group would expect me in particular to come up with specific proposals. my 2 cents, Eric On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, John Reid wrote: > Peter, > From your minutes it sounds as though only Eric can propose changes to > the spec. That is not how I understood the vote to revise 1.0. Isn't any > member allowed to make proposals? I don't recall limiting who nor what > could be proposed. The only limitation I know of is that the proposal > must be posted on the list as a proposal (not a complaint about what one > believes is wrong with the spec) so that specific comments to that > proposal can be made. > > I also take exception to the phrasing, Problems with interoperability > since these are only _perceived_ problems. Suggestions to correct > these introduce other serious problems that were discussed and rejected > at one time (we did have the namespace and open/closed list discussions > in the previous work). > > We are not correcting problems, a few members do not like some things > and want to change them. They are extremely vocal and refer to the spec > as unworkable and -- what was it -- an 800 pound gorilla? RWS Group, > Alchemy, Pass Engineering, opentag.com, and the Okapi Framework seem to > refute this. There are even some of us producing and using XLIFF > internally, with considerable success. > > This is not to say that there are no improvements to be made. That is > why we formed this TC. However, we are a wishy-washy group to vote for > Committee Specification one day and a month later cancel that vote. That > is more detrimental to a standard than a few perceived problems. > > Regards, > John > > >>> Peter Reynolds <
Peter.Reynolds@Berlitz.ie> 3/6/02 2:35:14 AM >>> > Minutes of the XLIFF TC March 5th. 2002 > 1/ Roll call > Present: Jonathan Clark, Tony Jewtushenko, Milan Karasek, Caroline > Koff, > Mark Levins, Christian Lieske,, Enda McDonnell John Reid, Peter > Reynolds, > Reinhard Schaler, Eric D. Friedman > Observers: Brian Briggs > Apologies: John Corrigan, Yves Savourel > 2/ Conformance Subcommittee > Reinhard had posted a new charter for the conformance subcommittee. It > was > proposed that we accept this and set up the subcommittee. This was > passed > unanimously. The following people have agreed to join this committee at > the > February 5th. meeting: Reinhard Schaler, Enda McDonnell, Peter > Reynolds, > Tony Jewtushenko and John Reid. > > 3/ Schema Subcommittee/ Discussion on Specification > The discussion which started with the report back from the Schema > subcommittee became a more general discussion on the specification with > the > proposal that work should be done to edit this, correcting issues which > were > highlighted. > This discussion started with Enda reporting back on the Schema > subcommittee's discussion about attribute list and whether recommended > lists > should be open or closed. This led to a more general discussion on the > schema. Problems with interoperability were pointed out. Mechanism for > solving these issues were discussed such as using namespaces. There was > also > a suggestion that some of the attributes could become elements allowing > the > value to be PCDATA rather than have an open list. > The case was put forward for revising the specification and to come up > with > a 1.1 spec. It was pointed out that version 1.1 of the spec might not > be > compatible with version 1.0. > A motion was put for ward stating that we wish to revise the 1.0 > specification prior to doing the subcommittee work. This was carried > with 6 > votes in favour and 4 abstentions. > It was also agreed that the work on the schema subcommittee would be > suspended. > Eric is to send a mail to the XLIFF list putting forward his thinking > on > these issues and we will have a discussion using the mailing list. We > will > also come up with example documents which will highlight practical > issues. > The deadline for agreeing which recommendations we will accept was set > as > May 1st. with the spec being decided at our face to face meeting in > May. > > 4/ XLIFF Whitepaper > This will be postponed until 1.1 spec is produced. Given the 1.1 > revision > initiative, the existing 1.0 whitepaper (posted to Yahoo! egroup > DataDefinition) will not be posted to the Oasis XLIFF TC website. > > 5/ Face to Face Meeting > The proposed dates will be either 9/10 of May (week before LRC > presentation) > or a combination of two of the days in the week following the LRC. > Tony J. > to send out proposed dates and wait for feedback on attendees. > > 6/ New Business From Yves > At some point I think it would be a good idea to have actual > implementations for a XLIFF interface. An open-source and free > implementation in, let's say, Java and C++ (and add a COM layer to the > C++), > so any developer could easily add support fro reading and writing > XLIFF > document. This proposal was originally discussed as part of XLIFF > 1.0 as > a goal for future (post 1.0) work, but was postponed once TC proposal > for > OASIS was initiated. Discussion points included concern that an > opensource > API and/or source code may require support, and may have liability > implications and release and ownership by the TC may be prohibited by > OASIS > - Tony J. to investigate and confirm. After some discussion, it was > agreed > to postpone discussion of this work until the larger architectural > issues of > XLIFF 1.1 are resolved. This item will be added to the agenda for > the > Face-to-face meeting and if deemed appropriate, deliverables will be > scoped > at that time. > New Business from Jonathan: Jonathan will be travelling to the Lisa > conference next week, and will therefore be able to participate (along > with > Yves) at XLIFF+LISA discussions and negotiations. LISA & OASIS > management, > will extend special invitations to targetted LISA members to > participate in > XLIFF TC. Yves will represent XLIFF TC at the Saturday meeting of > OSCAR > (Jonathan is invited as well). > > 7/ Next meeting to take place Tuesday 4pm, 19 March 2002. Contact > details > are the same as usual, and will be sent in a reminder a day or two in > advance of the meeting. > > > > Peter Reynolds, Software Development Manager, Berlitz GlobalNET > 3, West Pier Business Campus, Dun Laoghaire, Co. Dublin, Ireland > Tel: +353-1-202-1280 > Fax: +353-1- 202-1299 > Web Site: http//www.berlitzglobalnet.com > Don't just translate it, BerlitzIT http//www.berlitzIT.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > manager: <
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