OASIS Web Services Interactive Applications TC

RE: [wsia] Can a producer make look & feel changes?

  • 1.  RE: [wsia] Can a producer make look & feel changes?

    Posted 03-20-2002 00:45
    
    As Eilon said, the use case group discussed different options for achieving
    a  consumer task and found that by and large many of the tasks can be
    achieved via multiple ways and under some conditions (technical or
    business) one option may be better or the only possible route. Since we
    cannot predict the conditions the use case reports are being worked on
    reflect the multi-option approach. The current drafts of the customized and
    the coordinated use case reports reflect this sentiment.
    
    regards,
    Ravi Konuru
    eBusiness Tools and Frameworks, IBM Research
    office: 914-784-7180, tieline 8-863-7180; fax -3804
    
    
                                                                                                                                
                          Eilon Reshef                                                                                          
                          <eilon.reshef@webc        To:       "'Sean Fitts'" <sean@crossweave.com>                              
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                                                    Subject:  RE: [wsia] Can a producer make look & feel changes?               
                          03/19/2002 11:27                                                                                      
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    > Just to clarify my earlier description with regards to your point below.
    The Consumer physically has access to the entire markup fragment, so when
    business arrangements permit, the Consumer can make any type of
    modifications to the markup. I guess one of the ideas we are trying to
    capture in the Customized scenario and in WSIA in general is an explicit
    well-defined interface that declares what are the customization options
    (and, possibly, and also arguably, how to implement them). The existence of
    such an interface (independently of the mechanism that's used to describe
    it) is implicitly assumed in many of the discussions, mainly for robustness
    reasons (the Producer is committed to support those adaptation points one
    way or another along application changes). Naturally, the interface can't
    capture all of the different customization options possible, only those
    predicted and supported by the Producer. It is then up to the business
    arrangements to define whether adaptations other than those defined in the
    WSIA interface are allowed (in which case the Consumer can freely play
    around with the markup), disallowed (in which case the Consumer can't do
    anything with the markup), or anything in between (e.g., allowed after a
    review by the Producer). I wouldn't suppose we - as a committee - can
    decide between those options; we can only come up with the interfaces and
    assume the business arrangements are taken care of.
    
          Hope that makes sense.
    
           Lastly, on the issue of property driven adaptation vs. markup driven
          adaptation, I wasn't present at the smaller group discussion, so I
          may be
          covering old ground.  However, I have significant concerns about the
          property
          driven approach that extend beyond back-compatibility.  To me, the
          property
          driven approach implies that the producer must predict all of the
          changes that
          a consumer may want to make (since they are responsible for
          implementing
          them).  This may seem attractive from a Producer control standpoint
          (which
          I agree is an important issue), but I think it will have the effect
          of limiting the
          re-use of services.  Certainly our experience to date suggests that
          it is very
          hard, if not impossible to predict the ways in which Consumers may
          want to
          adapt services and so I would argue we should err on the side of
          flexibility.