Hello PSC and TSC, FYI, from this week's Pacific call minutes: /======================================================================= ASBIE DEFINITIONS Recent work documenting the role of ASBIEs in the UBL data model has again raised the issue of ASBIE definitions. See below for a list of current ASBIE definitions from the Common Library. There are also ABIE definitions needing work, for example: The Average price included VAT. This clas are suplementary utility Statements, that depending of type of Utility and scenario, needs to be present on a UtilityStatement, in order to meet the legal requirement and/or to give the Buyer proper informations. Note that these suplementary Statements are related to one common ConsumptionPoint as specified in UtilityChargeableConsumption/ConsumptionPoint above. JB: The list of ASBIE definitions (see agenda for this call) shows two completely different kinds of "definitions" randomly intermixed. For example, "An association to Payment Means" is followed by "The time where an appeal can be presented." The latter is an actual definition, whereas the former simply repeats information found in the Associated Object Class column of the model and is definitionally vacuous. GKH: And it is not sufficient to simply refer to the definition of the ABIE from which the ASBIE is derived. Consider, as a simple example, these two ASBIEs in PaymentMeans: cac:PaymentMeans/cac:PayeeFinancialAccount is an ASBIE of the cac:FinancialAccount ABIE cac:PaymentMeans/cac:PayerFinancialAccount is another ASBIE of the same cac:FinancialAccount ABIE If we were simply to define both to be "An instance of the Financial Account ABIE", that would tell the user nothing at all. They already know that from the spreadsheet or from the schema. And the definition of FinancialAccount as "Information about a Financial Account" says nothing about the difference between a PayeeFinancialAccount and a PayerFinancialAccount. In this particular case their functions are suggested by their names, but that is not a solution to the general problem. AGREED that the definitions are not yet of a quality sufficient for release of PRD3. NEXT STEPS: Discuss in the Atlantic call. ======================================================================= Jon