OASIS eXtensible Access Control Markup Language (XACML) TC

Dee,

this is only a sketch, it has some interesting aspects, but someone has
to sign up and develop this in detail.

It also makes references to many non-standard concepts: filtering,
patient preferences, consent etc. None of this has been standardized
within XACML, in fact, the Liberty Alliance IGF effort directly speaks
to formalizing these concepts based on a XACML foundation.

In addition, there is a minimum of 2-3 person months of detailed work
here before this can be something our products team can
engage with.

Who is the person(s) and when do they plan to start work on this?

- prateek

> Please review this scenario before the call today, so sorry for the delay.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dee
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Staggs, David (SAIC) [mailto:David.Staggs@va.gov]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 05, 2007 5:30 PM
> *To:* Dee Schur; Anthony Nadalin
> *Cc:* Davis, John M.
> *Subject:* RE: RSA 2008
>
>
>
> Dee
>
>
>
> Attached is a DRAFT of the 2008 RSA demonstration....
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <dee said>
>
> Hi,
> I spoke with Sampo and Symlabs is also interested in the InterOp Demo
> at RSA if we extend the scenerio. So, now it seems we have:
>
> Oracle
> Sun
> Axiomatics
> Securent
> IBM
>
> Red Hat
>
> Veterans Health Admin.
>
> Symlabs
>
>
>
> I am getting a lot of pushback from RSA, so I think our window of
> opportunity is closing unless we come up with a compelling scenario
> today or tomorrow! Please, if we want to move forward, I need
> something to work with ASAP.
>
> Tony,
> Could you pull together some of the ideas we discussed in Barcelona
> for the group?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Best,
> Dee
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Dee,

this is only a sketch, it has some interesting aspects, but someone has 
to sign up and develop this in detail.

It also makes references to many non-standard concepts: filtering, 
patient preferences, consent etc. None of this has been standardized 
within XACML, in fact, the Liberty Alliance IGF effort directly speaks 
to formalizing these concepts based on a XACML foundation.

In addition,  there is a minimum of 2-3 person months of detailed work 
here before this can be something our products team can
engage with.

Who is the person(s) and when do they plan to start work on this?

- prateek

> Please review this scenario before the call today, so sorry for the delay.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dee
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Staggs, David (SAIC) [mailto:David.Staggs@va.gov]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 05, 2007 5:30 PM
> *To:* Dee Schur; Anthony Nadalin
> *Cc:* Davis, John M.
> *Subject:* RE: RSA 2008
>
>  
>
> Dee
>
>  
>
> Attached is a DRAFT of the 2008 RSA demonstration....
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
> 

I don't see any problem with working with Liberty, does anyone else? We
probably need to consider IPR issues. Are you involved with LA? Wouldn't
this actually be many of the same participants? Yes, there is much work
ahead but what a compelling demo, no?
My concern now is blocking out the space, we can all work internally to
actually bring the pieces together before April, no?
Best,
Dee


Original Message-----
From: Prateek Mishra [mailto:prateek.mishra@ORACLE.COM]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:51 AM
To: Dee Schur
Cc: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org; xacml-demo-mktg@lists.oasis-open.org;
xacml-demo-tech@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [xacml] RSA 2008

Dee,

this is only a sketch, it has some interesting aspects, but someone has
to sign up and develop this in detail.

It also makes references to many non-standard concepts: filtering,
patient preferences, consent etc. None of this has been standardized
within XACML, in fact, the Liberty Alliance IGF effort directly speaks
to formalizing these concepts based on a XACML foundation.

In addition, there is a minimum of 2-3 person months of detailed work
here before this can be something our products team can
engage with.

Who is the person(s) and when do they plan to start work on this?

- prateek

> Please review this scenario before the call today, so sorry for the delay.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dee
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Staggs, David (SAIC) [mailto:David.Staggs@va.gov]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 05, 2007 5:30 PM
> *To:* Dee Schur; Anthony Nadalin
> *Cc:* Davis, John M.
> *Subject:* RE: RSA 2008
>
>
>
> Dee
>
>
>
> Attached is a DRAFT of the 2008 RSA demonstration....
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <dee said>
>
> Hi,
> I spoke with Sampo and Symlabs is also interested in the InterOp Demo
> at RSA if we extend the scenerio. So, now it seems we have:
>
> Oracle
> Sun
> Axiomatics
> Securent
> IBM
>
> Red Hat
>
> Veterans Health Admin.
>
> Symlabs
>
>
>
> I am getting a lot of pushback from RSA, so I think our window of
> opportunity is closing unless we come up with a compelling scenario
> today or tomorrow! Please, if we want to move forward, I need
> something to work with ASAP.
>
> Tony,
> Could you pull together some of the ideas we discussed in Barcelona
> for the group?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Best,
> Dee
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in
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> at:
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I don't see any problem with working with Liberty, does anyone else? We
probably need to consider IPR issues. Are you involved with LA? Wouldn't
this actually be many of the same participants? Yes, there is much work
ahead but what a compelling demo, no?
My concern now is blocking out the space, we can all work internally to
actually bring the pieces together before April, no?
Best,
Dee


Original Message-----
From: Prateek Mishra [mailto:prateek.mishra@ORACLE.COM]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:51 AM
To: Dee Schur
Cc: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org; xacml-demo-mktg@lists.oasis-open.org;
xacml-demo-tech@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [xacml] RSA 2008

Dee,

this is only a sketch, it has some interesting aspects, but someone has
to sign up and develop this in detail.

It also makes references to many non-standard concepts: filtering,
patient preferences, consent etc. None of this has been standardized
within XACML, in fact, the Liberty Alliance IGF effort directly speaks
to formalizing these concepts based on a XACML foundation.

In addition, there is a minimum of 2-3 person months of detailed work
here before this can be something our products team can
engage with.

Who is the person(s) and when do they plan to start work on this?

- prateek

> Please review this scenario before the call today, so sorry for the delay.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dee
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Staggs, David (SAIC) [mailto:David.Staggs@va.gov]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 05, 2007 5:30 PM
> *To:* Dee Schur; Anthony Nadalin
> *Cc:* Davis, John M.
> *Subject:* RE: RSA 2008
>
>
>
> Dee
>
>
>
> Attached is a DRAFT of the 2008 RSA demonstration....
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <dee said>
>
> Hi,
> I spoke with Sampo and Symlabs is also interested in the InterOp Demo
> at RSA if we extend the scenerio. So, now it seems we have:
>
> Oracle
> Sun
> Axiomatics
> Securent
> IBM
>
> Red Hat
>
> Veterans Health Admin.
>
> Symlabs
>
>
>
> I am getting a lot of pushback from RSA, so I think our window of
> opportunity is closing unless we come up with a compelling scenario
> today or tomorrow! Please, if we want to move forward, I need
> something to work with ASAP.
>
> Tony,
> Could you pull together some of the ideas we discussed in Barcelona
> for the group?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Best,
> Dee
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that
> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in
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> at:
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I don't see any problem with working with Liberty, does anyone else? We
probably need to consider IPR issues. Are you involved with LA? Wouldn't
this actually be many of the same participants? Yes, there is much work
ahead but what a compelling demo, no?
My concern now is blocking out the space, we can all work internally to
actually bring the pieces together before April, no?
Best,
Dee



                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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                                                Original Message-----
From: Prateek Mishra [mailto:prateek.mishra@ORACLE.COM] 
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:51 AM
To: Dee Schur
Cc: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org; xacml-demo-mktg@lists.oasis-open.org;
xacml-demo-tech@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [xacml] RSA 2008

Dee,

this is only a sketch, it has some interesting aspects, but someone has 
to sign up and develop this in detail.

It also makes references to many non-standard concepts: filtering, 
patient preferences, consent etc. None of this has been standardized 
within XACML, in fact, the Liberty Alliance IGF effort directly speaks 
to formalizing these concepts based on a XACML foundation.

In addition,  there is a minimum of 2-3 person months of detailed work 
here before this can be something our products team can
engage with.

Who is the person(s) and when do they plan to start work on this?

- prateek

> Please review this scenario before the call today, so sorry for the delay.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dee
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Staggs, David (SAIC) [mailto:David.Staggs@va.gov]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 05, 2007 5:30 PM
> *To:* Dee Schur; Anthony Nadalin
> *Cc:* Davis, John M.
> *Subject:* RE: RSA 2008
>
>  
>
> Dee
>
>  
>
> Attached is a DRAFT of the 2008 RSA demonstration....
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
> 

I don't see any need to do anything formal with Liberty, there is work
going on in OASIS with the claims work in the WS-Federation TC and WSSX-TC.

So IBM will be working along with David (and others if interested) on more
details that we will need over the next couple of months.

Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122



From: "Dee Schur" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>

To: "'Prateek Mishra'" <prateek.mishra@ORACLE.COM>

Cc: <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>, <xacml-demo-mktg@lists.oasis-open.org>,
<xacml-demo-tech@lists.oasis-open.org>

Date: 11/08/2007 10:57 AM

Subject: [xacml-demo-tech] RE: [xacml] RSA 2008






I don't see any problem with working with Liberty, does anyone else? We
probably need to consider IPR issues. Are you involved with LA? Wouldn't
this actually be many of the same participants? Yes, there is much work
ahead but what a compelling demo, no?
My concern now is blocking out the space, we can all work internally to
actually bring the pieces together before April, no?
Best,
Dee


Original Message-----
From: Prateek Mishra [?mailto:prateek.mishra@ORACLE.COM]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:51 AM
To: Dee Schur
Cc: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org; xacml-demo-mktg@lists.oasis-open.org;
xacml-demo-tech@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [xacml] RSA 2008

Dee,

this is only a sketch, it has some interesting aspects, but someone has
to sign up and develop this in detail.

It also makes references to many non-standard concepts: filtering,
patient preferences, consent etc. None of this has been standardized
within XACML, in fact, the Liberty Alliance IGF effort directly speaks
to formalizing these concepts based on a XACML foundation.

In addition, there is a minimum of 2-3 person months of detailed work
here before this can be something our products team can
engage with.

Who is the person(s) and when do they plan to start work on this?

- prateek

> Please review this scenario before the call today, so sorry for the
delay.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dee
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Staggs, David (SAIC) [?mailto:David.Staggs@va.gov]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 05, 2007 5:30 PM
> *To:* Dee Schur; Anthony Nadalin
> *Cc:* Davis, John M.
> *Subject:* RE: RSA 2008
>
>
>
> Dee
>
>
>
> Attached is a DRAFT of the 2008 RSA demonstration....
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <dee said>
>
> Hi,
> I spoke with Sampo and Symlabs is also interested in the InterOp Demo
> at RSA if we extend the scenerio. So, now it seems we have:
>
> Oracle
> Sun
> Axiomatics
> Securent
> IBM
>
> Red Hat
>
> Veterans Health Admin.
>
> Symlabs
>
>
>
> I am getting a lot of pushback from RSA, so I think our window of
> opportunity is closing unless we come up with a compelling scenario
> today or tomorrow! Please, if we want to move forward, I need
> something to work with ASAP.
>
> Tony,
> Could you pull together some of the ideas we discussed in Barcelona
> for the group?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Best,
> Dee
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that
> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in
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> at:
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There is no formal outputs from WS-Federation TC available yet. We have
earlier pointed out that all the use-cases covered
by WS-Federation are already implemented in SAML 2.0, a well-known and
widely implemented standard. Use of unratified WS-Federation drafts
increases costs for customers by duplicating technology standards but
with no other demonstrable benefits.

Dee, could you please remove Oracle from the list of companies are
interested in participating in the RSA interop? Its fairly clear now
that the intention here is to highlight a single vendors product.

Thanks,
prateek


> I don't see any need to do anything formal with Liberty, there is work
> going on in OASIS with the claims work in the WS-Federation TC and
> WSSX-TC.
>
> So IBM will be working along with David (and others if interested) on
> more details that we will need over the next couple of months.
>
> Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122
>
> Inactive hide details for "Dee Schur" ---11/08/2007 10:57:06 AM---I
> don't see any problem with working with Liberty, does anyon"Dee Schur"
> ---11/08/2007 10:57:06 AM---I don't see any problem with working with
> Liberty, does anyone else? We
>
>
> From:
> "Dee Schur" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>
>
> To:
> "'Prateek Mishra'" <prateek.mishra@ORACLE.COM>
>
> Cc:
> <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>, <xacml-demo-mktg@lists.oasis-open.org>,
> <xacml-demo-tech@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
> Date:
> 11/08/2007 10:57 AM
>
> Subject:
> [xacml-demo-tech] RE: [xacml] RSA 2008
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> I don't see any problem with working with Liberty, does anyone else? We
> probably need to consider IPR issues. Are you involved with LA? Wouldn't
> this actually be many of the same participants? Yes, there is much work
> ahead but what a compelling demo, no?
> My concern now is blocking out the space, we can all work internally to
> actually bring the pieces together before April, no?
> Best,
> Dee
>
>
Original Message-----
> From: Prateek Mishra [mailto:prateek.mishra@ORACLE.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:51 AM
> To: Dee Schur
> Cc: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org; xacml-demo-mktg@lists.oasis-open.org;
> xacml-demo-tech@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [xacml] RSA 2008
>
> Dee,
>
> this is only a sketch, it has some interesting aspects, but someone has
> to sign up and develop this in detail.
>
> It also makes references to many non-standard concepts: filtering,
> patient preferences, consent etc. None of this has been standardized
> within XACML, in fact, the Liberty Alliance IGF effort directly speaks
> to formalizing these concepts based on a XACML foundation.
>
> In addition, there is a minimum of 2-3 person months of detailed work
> here before this can be something our products team can
> engage with.
>
> Who is the person(s) and when do they plan to start work on this?
>
> - prateek
>
> > Please review this scenario before the call today, so sorry for the
> delay.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dee
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* Staggs, David (SAIC) [mailto:David.Staggs@va.gov]
> > *Sent:* Monday, November 05, 2007 5:30 PM
> > *To:* Dee Schur; Anthony Nadalin
> > *Cc:* Davis, John M.
> > *Subject:* RE: RSA 2008
> >
> >
> >
> > Dee
> >
> >
> >
> > Attached is a DRAFT of the 2008 RSA demonstration....
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <dee said>
> >
> > Hi,
> > I spoke with Sampo and Symlabs is also interested in the InterOp Demo
> > at RSA if we extend the scenerio. So, now it seems we have:
> >
> > Oracle
> > Sun
> > Axiomatics
> > Securent
> > IBM
> >
> > Red Hat
> >
> > Veterans Health Admin.
> >
> > Symlabs
> >
> >
> >
> > I am getting a lot of pushback from RSA, so I think our window of
> > opportunity is closing unless we come up with a compelling scenario
> > today or tomorrow! Please, if we want to move forward, I need
> > something to work with ASAP.
> >
> > Tony,
> > Could you pull together some of the ideas we discussed in Barcelona
> > for the group?
> >
> > Thanks so much!
> >
> > Best,
> > Dee
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that
> > generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in
> OASIS
> > at:
> > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php
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>

I don't see any need to do anything formal with Liberty, there is work going on in OASIS with the claims work in the WS-Federation TC and WSSX-TC.


So IBM will be working along with David (and others if interested) on more details that we will need over the next couple of months.


Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122


"Dee Schur" ---11/08/2007 10:57:06 AM---I don't see any problem with working with Liberty, does anyone else? We






From:


"Dee Schur" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>



To:


"'Prateek Mishra'" <prateek.mishra@ORACLE.COM>



Cc:


<xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>, <xacml-demo-mktg@lists.oasis-open.org>, <xacml-demo-tech@lists.oasis-open.org>



Date:


11/08/2007 10:57 AM



Subject:


[xacml-demo-tech] RE: [xacml]  RSA 2008





I don't see any problem with working with Liberty, does anyone else? We

probably need to consider IPR issues. Are you involved with LA? Wouldn't

this actually be many of the same participants? Yes, there is much work

ahead but what a compelling demo, no?

My concern now is blocking out the space, we can all work internally to

actually bring the pieces together before April, no?

Best,

Dee




                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
                                                        Original Message
                                                
                                                Original Message-----

From: Prateek Mishra [mailto:prateek.mishra@ORACLE.COM]

Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:51 AM

To: Dee Schur

Cc: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org; xacml-demo-mktg@lists.oasis-open.org;

xacml-demo-tech@lists.oasis-open.org

Subject: Re: [xacml] RSA 2008


Dee,


this is only a sketch, it has some interesting aspects, but someone has

to sign up and develop this in detail.


It also makes references to many non-standard concepts: filtering,

patient preferences, consent etc. None of this has been standardized

within XACML, in fact, the Liberty Alliance IGF effort directly speaks

to formalizing these concepts based on a XACML foundation.


In addition,  there is a minimum of 2-3 person months of detailed work

here before this can be something our products team can

engage with.


Who is the person(s) and when do they plan to start work on this?


- prateek


> Please review this scenario before the call today, so sorry for the delay.

>

> Regards,

>

> Dee

>

>  

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> *From:* Staggs, David (SAIC) [mailto:David.Staggs@va.gov]

> *Sent:* Monday, November 05, 2007 5:30 PM

> *To:* Dee Schur; Anthony Nadalin

> *Cc:* Davis, John M.

> *Subject:* RE: RSA 2008

>

>  

>

> Dee

>

>  

>

> Attached is a DRAFT of the 2008 RSA demonstration....

>

> Regards

>

> David

>

>  

>

>  

>

>

> <dee said>

>

> Hi,

> I spoke with Sampo and Symlabs is also interested in the InterOp Demo

> at RSA if we extend the scenerio. So, now it seems we have:

>

> Oracle

> Sun

> Axiomatics

> Securent

> IBM

>

> Red Hat

>

> Veterans Health Admin.

>

> Symlabs

>

>

>

> I am getting a lot of pushback from RSA, so I think our window of

> opportunity is closing unless we come up with a compelling scenario

> today or tomorrow! Please, if we want to move forward, I need

> something to work with ASAP.

>

> Tony,

> Could you pull together some of the ideas we discussed in Barcelona

> for the group?

>

> Thanks so much!

>

> Best,

> Dee

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that

> generates this mail.  You may a link to this group and all your TCs in

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> at:

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There is no formal outputs from WS-Federation TC available yet. We have 
earlier pointed out that all the use-cases covered
by WS-Federation are already implemented in SAML 2.0, a well-known and 
widely implemented standard. Use of unratified WS-Federation drafts 
increases costs for customers by duplicating technology standards but 
with no other demonstrable benefits.

Dee, could you please remove Oracle from the list of companies are 
interested in participating in the RSA interop? Its fairly clear now 
that the intention here is to highlight a single vendors product.

Thanks,
prateek


> I don't see any need to do anything formal with Liberty, there is work 
> going on in OASIS with the claims work in the WS-Federation TC and 
> WSSX-TC.
>
> So IBM will be working along with David (and others if interested) on 
> more details that we will need over the next couple of months.
>
> Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122
>
> Inactive hide details for "Dee Schur" ---11/08/2007 10:57:06 AM---I 
> don't see any problem with working with Liberty, does anyon"Dee Schur" 
> ---11/08/2007 10:57:06 AM---I don't see any problem with working with 
> Liberty, does anyone else? We
>
>
> From: 	
> "Dee Schur"