UBL Transportation SC

  • 1.  Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp

    Posted 01-23-2008 12:44
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  • 2.  RE: [ubl-tsc] Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp

    Posted 01-23-2008 14:52
    Roberto,
    Thank you for your probing question. I suspect that Tim has an opinion on
    this as the one proposing the consolidated definition. Others may have
    additional views. A further question might be is the definition for the UBL
    Shipment ASBIE context dependent or should context be reflected in some
    modifier of Shipment?
    
    I will also need to ask someone more knowledgeable on OASIS process
    regarding how we move this topic to resolution. (Tim, Jon?)
    
    Andy
    
    
    


  • 3.  Re: [ubl-tsc] Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp

    Posted 01-23-2008 19:17
    
    
      
      
    
    
    Andrew,
    the presence of a FreightForwarderParty on the UBL document show me the Shipment will contain a shipment contract data, as the Shipper (Seller) will ask the FreightForwarderParty do take care of all transport contracts.
    There is not a real shipment contract when Seller directly take care of the whole shipment.  This happen when a Seller has his own organization and do not need  Customs Brokers or other specific third party services.

    To answer your question, I think Shipment has the same meaning for all UBL documents (Bill of Lading and Waybills), the shipment defines all shipment stages for multimodal and combined transport.   Any B/L or Waybill type can be used for multimodal transport (staged).
    The main context into international shipments is given by DeliveryTerms (Incoterms 2000) which is under Consignment in UBL.
    A sample:
    The terms of transportation in the bill of lading should be the same as those in the underlying contract for sale of the goods and subject to Incoterms 2000.
    Incoterms indicates that the buyer will select the carrier and pay the freight charges when it is an Ex Works or “F” term, and under “C” and “D” terms that the seller will select the carrier and pay the freight charges.

    Shipment definition should be one for all UBL documents.

    Hope I answered your question... I wrote too much maybe :)

    Ciao

    Roberto

    Andrew Schoka ha scritto:
    Roberto,
    Thank you for your probing question. I suspect that Tim has an opinion on
    this as the one proposing the consolidated definition. Others may have
    additional views. A further question might be is the definition for the UBL
    Shipment ASBIE context dependent or should context be reflected in some
    modifier of Shipment?
      
    Bill of Lading (B/L) orWaybill both use Shipment but for a shipment there could be many stages and more documentation.

    B/L covers the sea transport
    I will also need to ask someone more knowledgeable on OASIS process
    regarding how we move this topic to resolution. (Tim, Jon?)
    
    Andy
    
    
    
    Dear Andy,
    
    Within UN/CEFACT (agreed by both transport and trade) the word 
    shipment refers
    to the collection of goods items between the seller and the buyer under a
    commercial contract, and the word consignment is used for the 
    collection of
    goods items between the consignor and the consignee under a transport 
    contract.
    
    I recommend the UBL-TSC to follow the same mechanism for consistency 
    reasons.
    A shipment certainly is not a set of arrangements.
    
    Regards,
    
    Henk van Maaren
    
    Quoting Andrew Schoka <AMSchoka@comcast.net>:
    
        
    Dear TSC members,
    
    
    
    During our last telecon we ran out of time to discuss an action that 
    we had
    been given from the TC. The action item from the TC is as follows:
    
    
    
    UPDATE PACKAGE: JPLSC COMMENTS
    
      ACTION (12/18): AS to get answer from TSC regarding JPLSC
    
      comment 25.
    
    
    
    JPLSC comment 25 to the 2.0 update package is as follows:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Category
    
    Business Document or ABIE
    
    BIE
    
    Questions, Comments
    
    
    Transportation
    
    BillOfLading
    
    Waybill
    
    Shipment (ASBIE)
    
    The definitions of Shipment (ASBIE) in BillOfLading and Waybill are
    differrent each other,
    
    We think that these definitions should be same.
    
    Definition (BillOfLading): Information about the separately identifiable
    collection of goods items (available to be) transported from one 
    consignor
    to one consignee via one or more modes of transport.
    
    Definition (Waybill): A separately identifiable collection of goods 
    items
    (available to be) transported from one consignor to one consignee via 
    one or
    more modes of transport.
    
    
    
    
    
    I think it is appropriate that there be consistency across the various
    documents when the same ASBIEs are identified and their definitions 
    used.
    With regard to the definition of Shipment, I believe that we have 
    previously
    had an email exchange and a telecon discussion regarding an appropriate
    definition. Based upon a contribution by Tim McGrath and subsequent
    discussions, I propose that we adopt the definition we last discussed
    presented in a grammatically correct form.
    
    
    
    o          SHIPMENT
    
    The arrangements necessary for an identifiable collection of one or more
    goods items to be transported between the original consignor and the
    ultimate consignee. This information represents what is required, 
    that is a
    "logical" or contractual view. A shipment can be transported in 
    different
    consignments (eg split for logistical purposes).
    
    
    
    I propose that this be the resolution of the action item. If I don't 
    receive
    a response within 7 days, I will presume concurrence. Jon will then 
    use this
    definition wherever the definition of shipment is used.
    
    
    
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Andy Schoka
    
    Acting Chair TSC
    
    
    
    
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  • 4.  RE: [ubl-tsc] Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp

    Posted 01-24-2008 01:43
    
    
    
    
    
    
    


  • 5.  Re: [ubl-tsc] Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp

    Posted 01-24-2008 13:02
    partially this is dealing with the legacy issue but there is a real 
    difference between Shipment and Consignment.
    
    Henk has correctly noted the shipment is a commercial arrangement 
    (covered by a commercial contract), and consignment is logistical 
    arrangement (covered under a transport contract.)
    
    Roberto is correct that we have not been consistent in out levels of 
    abstration.  I also suspect a problem with the word 'arrangement'
    
    My proposal is that we should say:
    
    Shipment: An identifiable collection of one or more goods items to be 
    transported between the seller party and the buyer party. This 
    information may be defined within a commercial contract. A shipment can 
    be transported in different consignments (eg split for logistical purposes).
    
    Consignment: An identifiable collection of one or more goods items to be 
    transported between the consignor and the consignee. This information 
    may be defined within a transport contract. A consignment may comprise 
    of more than one shipment (eg when consolidated by a freight forwarder).
    
    hopefully this exposes and highlights the two different 'views'.
    
    in terms of next steps.  i suggest you propose a final definition and if 
    no-one objects then we adopt it.
    
    Andrew Schoka wrote:
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    > Perhaps Tim could also share some of the rationale developed for 
    > defining both shipment and consignment.
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    > Thanks
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    > Andy
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    tim mcgrath
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