OASIS XML Localisation Interchange File Format (XLIFF) TC

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2/ Approve Tuesday, 14 November 2011 meeting minutes:?
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201111/msg00066.html
3/ Sub Committee Reports
   1. Inline text (Yves)
   2. XLIFF Promotion and Liaison SC Charter (David)
     a. Lucía tool survey
         https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XLIFFSupport
??4/ XLIFF 2.0 (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking)
Note: Rodolfo has been busy adding items to SVN
  Note: Listing items from email threads between meetings. ?       
But any feature/issue may be brought to the floor.
   a. Core vs. Module - ready to vote? http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201111/msg00081.html
   b. To extend or not to extend http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201111/msg00082.html
c. Proposal to vote on adding formatting style attribute http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/Feature/Add%20optional%20format%20attribute%20for%20quick%20at-a-glance%20review
  1. XLIFF 2.0 Technical work
     a. Approved (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#ApprovedFeaturesforXLIFF2.0)
     b. Poposed (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#Featuresunderconsideration.28notyetevaluatedbyTC.29)
     c. Discarded (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#DiscardedProposedFeatures)
  2. XLIFF 2.0 Technical issues (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0)
  3. Conformance criteria
5/ Current XLIFF business
  Note: Moved some items to P & L SC; some remaining things
need TC approval to move
   1. XLIFF and TM, Glossary, Segmentation Rules (Christian)? 
       Note: shall we move this to Technical Issues for XLIFF 2.0 wiki page (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0)??(http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00043.html)
  - - Need a full discussion on this topic (Peter)?(http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00047.html)
   2. Gathering common extension points from
       existing XLIFF Tools as a guide for 2.0 features (Bryan, Thomas)
  Note: Bryan will propose moving this to P & L SC?(http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201101/msg00007.html)?     - Lucia has taken over Micah's matrix
     - David F is investigating funding for XLIFF tools page
   3. Using other standards vs. adding XLIFF modules (Arle, David W., Yves, Helena, . . .)
  Note: shall we move this to Technical Issues for XLIFF 2.0 wiki page (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0)??
   (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201107/msg00023.html)
   ?(http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201108/msg00001.html)
6/ New Business Owner : Bryan Schnabel Group : OASIS XML Localisation Interchange File Format (XLIFF) TC Sharing : This event is shared with the OASIS Open (General Membership), and General Public groups. Public Event Link BEGIN:VCALENDAR CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:PUBLISH VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//Kavi Corporation//NONSGML Kavi Groups//EN X-MS-OLK-FORCEINSPECTOROPEN:TRUE BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:America/New_York BEGIN:STANDARD DTSTART:20001029T020000 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=10;UNTIL=20061029T060000Z TZNAME:EST TZOFFSETFROM:-0400 TZOFFSETTO:-0500 END:STANDARD BEGIN:STANDARD DTSTART:20071104T020000 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=11 TZNAME:EST TZOFFSETFROM:-0400 TZOFFSETTO:-0500 END:STANDARD BEGIN:DAYLIGHT DTSTART:20000402T020000 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=4;UNTIL=20060402T070000Z TZNAME:EDT TZOFFSETFROM:-0500 TZOFFSETTO:-0400 END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:DAYLIGHT DTSTART:20070311T020000 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=2SU;BYMONTH=3 TZNAME:EDT TZOFFSETFROM:-0500 TZOFFSETTO:-0400 END:DAYLIGHT END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT CATEGORIES:MEETING STATUS:CONFIRMED TRANSP:OPAQUE DTSTAMP:20111204T000000Z DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME;TZID=America/New_York:20111206T110000 DTEND;VALUE=DATE-TIME;TZID=America/New_York:20111206T120000 SEQUENCE:0 SUMMARY:XLIFF TC Call DESCRIPTION:1. Please join my meeting.

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2 . Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone.
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Agenda: 1/ Roll call
2/ Approve Tuesday, 14 November 2011 meeting minutes:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201111/msg00066.html
3/ Sub Committee Reports
1. Inline text (Yves)
2. XLIFF Promotion and Liaison SC Charter (David)
a. Lucía tool survey
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XLIFFSupport


4/ XLIFF 2.0 ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking )
Note: Rodolfo has been busy adding items to SVN
Note: Listing items from email threads between meetings. 

But any feature/issue may be brought to the floor.
a. Core vs. Module - ready to vote? http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201111/msg00081.html
b. To extend or not to extend http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201111/msg00082.html
c . Proposal to vote on adding formatting style attribute http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/Feature/Add%20optional%20format%20attribute%20for%20quick%20at-a-glance%20review
1. XLIFF 2.0 Technical work
a. Approved ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#ApprovedFeaturesforXLIFF2.0 )
b. Poposed ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#Featuresunderconsideration.28notyetevaluatedbyTC.29 )
c. Discarded ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#DiscardedProposedFeatures )
2. XLIFF 2.0 Technical issues ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0 )
3. Conformance criteria
5/ Current XLIFF business
Note: Moved some items to P & L SC; some remaining things
need TC approval to move
1. XLIFF and TM, Glossary, Segmentation Rules (Christian)

Note: shall we move this to Technical Issues for XLIFF 2.0 wiki page ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0 )?
( http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00043.html )
- - Need a full discussion on this topic (Peter)
( http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00047.html )
2. Gathering common extension points from
existing XLIFF Tools as a guide for 2.0 features (Bryan, Thomas)
Note: Bryan will propose moving this to P & L SC
( http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201101/msg00007.html )
 - Lucia has taken over Micah's matrix
- David F is investigating funding for XLIFF tools page
3. Using other standards vs. adding XLIFF modules (Arle, David W., Yves, Helena, . . .)
Note: shall we move this to Technical Issues for XLIFF 2.0 wiki page ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0 )?

( http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201107/msg00023.html )

( http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201108/msg00001.html )
6/ New Business
Group: OASIS XML Localisation Interchange File Format (XLIFF) TC
Creator: Bryan Schnabel URL: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/event.php?event_id=32233 UID: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/event.php?event_id=32233 BEGIN:VALARM ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:REMINDER TRIGGER;RELATED=START:-PT00H15M00S END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR

Date: Tuesday, 06 December 2011, 11:00am - 12:00pm ET Summary === 1/ Roll call Presents: Yves, Bryan, David-F, Rodolfo, Helena, Fredrik, Tom, Shirley, Joachim, Christian, Peter, Steven, David-W, Paul Leahy (Oracle), Victor Amaya (Oracle), Angshuman Deb (IBM) === 2/ Approve Tuesday, 14 November 2011 meeting minutes:? http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201111/msg00066.html Bryan moves to accept the minutes. Rodolfo seconds. No dissent. New members: Oracle is back in the TC with Paul and Victor (in Ireland both) === 3/ Sub Committee Reports 1. Inline text (Yves) Summary: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-inline/201111/msg00003.html Next meeting is next week: we'll decide on type of codes (pc vs sc/ec/ /etc.) 2. XLIFF Promotion and Liaison SC Charter (David) a. Lucía tool survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XLIFFSupport No meeting last time. Lucía may have finalized the survey. Will be close on Dec-15. Nothing else to report. Bryan: we do have a L&C SC meeting today after this meeting. ===?4/ XLIFF 2.0 ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking ) Note: Rodolfo has been busy adding items to SVN Formal procedure to add feature. http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking then move to approved features. > a. Core vs. Module - ready to vote? http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201111/msg00081.html Some email discussions done. Possibly ready for vote. Arle & Rodolfo have a proposal ready. Rodolfo: Move to vote on this definition. David-F: Scenario is extract/translate/merge, right? Rodolfo: Minimum set of elements to allow those steps. Basically: allow round-trip. Bryan: So 1 unit as 1 source and 0 or 1 target. One can have only a source and be compliant Rodolfo: Yes, translation can be added using different processes David-F: So target is option when extracting, but mandatory for merge? Rodolfo: No, you can use source to merge back David-F: So only those 3 parts are part of the core in that definition. There are more possible approaches e.g. look at all XLIFF agents and look at the minimal set of construct need for those. Rodolfo: so you want to change the proposal? David-F: not necessarily. Just want to be sure the TC understand it. Think we have not had enough time. Sorry I didn't enter the discussion before. Helena: we had this discussion the last 2 meetings. We made it clear to finalize this today if possible. Can be changed later. But need to start somewhere. Rodolfo: are we ready to vote on the proposal? Bryan: I did began to second. But is there a risk that we are missing something? David-F: Yes. In diagram I circulated, there is 7 possible XLIFF agents. The proposal targets only 3 of the areas. Other approach is to look at the 7 area and use the minimal set to cover those areas. Using this proposal it means we may need to change it later. Rodolfo: withdraw my motion to vote on this. Let's wait for David-F's proposal. Joachim: looking at the diagram. Which area don't work with the proposal? e.g. for review we would need additional attributes/etc. But wouldn't it be easier to start with a sub-set? Rodolfo: maybe because only we have 3 processes approved. Rodolfo: proposal was withdrawn David-W: move to vote on the Rodolfo/Arle proposal Tom: second the motion. Ballot: yes=10 no=2 The motion passed. Text of the motion is here: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201111/msg00081.html === 5/ Current XLIFF business Note: Moved some items to P & L SC; some remaining things need TC approval to move 1. XLIFF and TM, Glossary, Segmentation Rules (Christian)? Note: shall we move this to Technical Issues for XLIFF 2.0 wiki page ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0 )?? ( http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00043.html ) - - Need a full discussion on this topic (Peter)?( http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00047.html ) Christian: question was about the charter of the TC. What are we allowed to work on. e.g. can we work on representation of glossary data, etc. didn't think we had the mandate for that. And should we collaborate with other entities on this. Rodolfo: Yves and Helena did work on segmentation We also have some work on glossary/etc. No issue about lack of resources to work on it. Christian: possibility to represent something doesn't mean it's a general solution for the community. e.g. TBX vs glossaries Rodolfo: TBX represent terminology db. We had glossary in previous versions of xliff Christian: TBX can be used for glossary Rodolfo: TBX doesn't have schema. Christain: RelaxNG is there Rodolfo: but it's not complete Christian: the point is to have an orchestration of the overall standards. Peter: input from TAUS' users was to have a single standard Rodolfo has a point from a tool provider viewpoint: TBX is hard to implement, so XLIFF can provide something more basic. What Paul & victor thing of this? Bryan: we are at the top of the hour. We need to get that answer later. Should this item be moved to another SC or stay here. -> issue tabled for now. Rodolfo: it's already item 21 in wiki. The question is: Should it be dropped or move to specification? === 6/ New Business Any new business? None -done