Chet, First, OASIS needs to get the mailing lists configured so you can post the list and thus replies will be to the list and not you. Second, I am troubled by the the language: The TOSCA TC will provide the following set of deliverables: 1. A revised Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications, and associated XML Schema plus conformance statements will be approved and completed by the TC within nine months of the first TOSCA TC meeting. 2. A set of sample Cloud Service Templates and related artifacts will be approved and completed by the TC within nine months of the first TOSCA TC meeting. These examples are non-normative, but can be used as test cases for testing conformance of individual TOSCA implementations as well as interoperability between multiple TOSCA implementations. 3. Optionally, such other non-normative deliverables within the scope listed in paragraphs 1-8 such as tutorials or presentations), as the TC may elect, within nine months of the first TOSCA TC meeting. Maintenance: Once the TC has completed work on a deliverable and it has become an OASIS Standard, the TC will enter "maintenance mode" for the deliverable. The purpose of maintenance mode is to provide minor revisions to previously adopted deliverables to clarify ambiguities, inconsistencies and obvious errors. Maintenance mode is not intended to enhance a deliverable or to extend its functionality. Apparently the proposers of this TC have some content in mind that is sufficient in their view to become both a Committee Specification as well as an OASIS Standard. That may or may not be the case. It is certainly *not the case* that proposers can set arbitrary deadlines for the completion of work that has yet to be seen by the OASIS members who will be called to vote upon it. I am well familiar with the "standards process is too slow" refrain, which rings false in light of 2 or 3 year development cycles for serious software. I am excluding vaporware from consideration. I am also aware that the "9-month to approval" content has not been disclosed and that is the subject of another thread. I won't repeat those concerns but I share them. Just in case the proposers are unfamiliar with OASIS, an *open* standards process doesn't have "gotcha" filing of documents, pre-set limits on discussion and revision, pre-determined approval and maintenance schedules and the like. Just as an aside to the TAB: Perhaps we need a 2-3 page - How Open Standards Develop type document that closes with common mis-steps like trying to force approval of not substantially revised proposals as "standards." There is a name for that sort of content but "standard" isn't one of them. Hope you are having a great day! Patrick On 10/20/2011 08:18 AM, Chet Ensign wrote: To OASIS Members: A draft TC charter has been submitted to establish the OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA) Technical Committee. In accordance with the OASIS TC Process Policy section 2.2: (
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process-2009-07-30.php#formation ) the proposed charter is hereby submitted for comment. The comment period shall remain open until 11:45 pm ET on 3 November 2011. OASIS maintains a mailing list for the purpose of submitting comments on proposed charters. Any OASIS member may post to this list by sending email to:
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We encourage member comment and ask that you note the name of the proposed TC (TOSCA TC) in the subject line of your email message. --- PROPOSED CHARTER 1.a Name of the TC: OASIS Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA) Technical Committee 1.b Statement of Purpose: The goal of the Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications (TOSCA) TC is to substantially enhance the portability of cloud applications and the IT services that comprise them running on complex software and hardware infrastructure. TOSCA will facilitate this goal by enabling the interoperable description of application and infrastructure cloud services, the relationships between parts of the service, and the operational behavior of these services (e.g., deploy, patch, shutdown) independent of the supplier creating the service, and any particular cloud provider or hosting technology. TOSCA will also enable the association of that higher-level operational behavior with cloud infrastructure management. This capability will greatly facilitate much higher levels of cloud service/solution portability without lock-in, including: * Portable deployment to any compliant cloud * Easier migration of existing applications to the cloud * Flexible bursting (consumer choice) * Dynamic multi-cloud provider applications Ultimately, this will benefit the consumers, developers, and providers of cloud-based solutions and provide an essential foundation for even higher-level TOSCA-based vocabularies that could be focused on specific solutions and domains. 1.c Scope of Work: The TOSCA TC intends to accept as one input the draft TOSCA specification [1] provided by Capgemini, CA Technologies, Cisco, Citrix, EMC, IBM, PwC, Red Hat, SAP, Software AG, Virtunomic, and WSO2, as well as any subsequent input documents accepted by the TOSCA TC. The TOSCA TC will use this draft TOSCA specification as a foundation for further standardization of a basic set of concrete components, relationships and properties (with extension mechanisms to add additional components, relationships and properties). Further work on specific vocabularies, based on these extension mechanisms, is out of scope for this specification, but could begin in parallel with this project, using the TOSCA naming syntax. The scope of the TOSCA TC's work is to produce specifications that standardize the concepts as well as XML documents and XML Schema renderings of the areas described below by further refinement and finalization of the input document and any subsequent input documents accepted by the TOSCA TC. The following items are specifically in scope of the resulting TOSCA specification: 1. A language that provides the ability to specify a Service Template that can define the topology (or structure) of a service and that can utilize existing process modeling standards (especially BPMN 2.0) to define orchestration (via "plans") that can invoke the manageability behavior of cloud services. 2. A syntax for naming component types, components, relationship types, relationships, and properties, and for grouping of components. 3. The ability to constrain the use of the various elements and their properties that define the topology of a service. 4. The ability to cross-reference Service Templates to enable composition of services and to enable the management of instantiations of a Service Template in heterogeneous environments. 5. The ability to use virtual images as implementation artifacts for parts of a Service Template. 6. The ability to use application artifacts (e.g. JEE, ABAP, etc) as deployment artifacts for parts of a Service Template. 7. The ability to use other artifacts (e.g. EAR files, OVF files, SCA components, etc) as deployment artifacts for parts of a Service Template. 8. The ability to annotate the various elements that define the topology of a Service Template with policies that influence use of instances of a Service Template. Such annotations could leverage a wide range of policy languages (e.g. WS-Policy [2], KaoS [3], etc.). Compatibility: There are no formal requirements for upward compatibility. Nevertheless, the specification should be compatible with existing business process modeling standards like BPMN 2.0 [4] and WS-BPEL [5]. Furthermore, interfaces of component types should be able to be expressed in a proper REST-style based on HTTP and specified via WSDL 1.1, and allow for the use of scripts. Out of Scope: The following is a non-exhaustive list. It is provided only for the sake of clarity. If some function, mechanism or feature is not mentioned here, and it is not mentioned in the Scope of Work section, then it will be deemed to be out of scope. The following items are specifically out of scope of the TOSCA specification: 1. The definition of concrete cloud services, i.e. the definition of concrete component types, relationship types, and topology templates. However, standardization of a basic set of concrete component types, relationship types and properties is intended to be enabled by this work, and could begin in parallel with this project, with appropriate coordination. 2. The definition of concrete plans, i.e. the definition of plans in any process modeling language like BPMN or BPEL. 3. The definition of a language for defining plans (i.e. a new process modeling language). 4. The definition of concrete policies influencing the management and use of instances of a Service Template. 5. The emphasis of any particular single technology (e.g. hypervisor virtualization) for the implementation of cloud services. 6. The emphasis of any particular policy definition language or mechanism. 7. The architecture of a service container used to instantiate service definitions and manage such instances. 8. The interface definitions of a service container. 9. A graphical notation for modeling Service Templates. 10. The definition of semantic models for cloud services. 11. The specification of functional behavior as well as functional composition of cloud services. Subsequent specifications may provide the Service Templates of concrete cloud services. This will enable, for example, the creation of catalogues of Service Templates in various application domains. 1.d Deliverables The TOSCA TC will provide the following set of deliverables: 1. A revised Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications, and associated XML Schema plus conformance statements will be approved and completed by the TC within nine months of the first TOSCA TC meeting. 2. A set of sample Cloud Service Templates and related artifacts will be approved and completed by the TC within nine months of the first TOSCA TC meeting. These examples are non-normative, but can be used as test cases for testing conformance of individual TOSCA implementations as well as interoperability between multiple TOSCA implementations. 3. Optionally, such other non-normative deliverables within the scope listed in paragraphs 1-8 such as tutorials or presentations), as the TC may elect, within nine months of the first TOSCA TC meeting. Maintenance: Once the TC has completed work on a deliverable and it has become an OASIS Standard, the TC will enter "maintenance mode" for the deliverable. The purpose of maintenance mode is to provide minor revisions to previously adopted deliverables to clarify ambiguities, inconsistencies and obvious errors. Maintenance mode is not intended to enhance a deliverable or to extend its functionality. The TC will collect issues raised against the deliverables and periodically process those issues. Issues that request or require new or enhanced functionality shall be marked as enhancement requests and set aside. Issues that result in the clarification or correction of the deliverables shall be processed. The TC shall maintain a list of these adopted clarifications and shall periodically create a new minor revision of the deliverables including these updates. Periodically, but at least once a year, the TC shall produce and vote upon a new minor revision of the deliverables. 1.e IPR Mode This TC will operate under the "RF (Royalty Free) on Limited Terms" IPR mode as defined in the OASIS Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) Policy. 1.f Anticipated Audience The anticipated audience for this work includes: 1. Vendors and service providers offering products and/or services designed to host or support cloud services, especially... a. Solutions used to model and create cloud services b. Solutions that support the execution of cloud services c. Solutions that manage cloud services d. Solutions designed to provide (parts of) cloud services as virtual images e. Solutions designed to deploy or manage cloud services across multiple service providers 2. Other specification authors that require cloud Service Templates 3. Software architects who design, write, integrate and deploy cloud services in a cloud environment as well as in a mix of cloud environments and on-premise environments 4. End users implementing solutions that require an interoperable, composable solution using cloud services Language 1.g Language: The output documents will be written in (US) English. References: [1] Topology and Orchestration Specification for Cloud Applications, Draft Specification, September 2011. [2] Web Services Policy 1.5 - Framework, W3C Recommendation, available via
http://www.w3.org/TR/ws-policy/ [3] KAoS, Florida Institute for Human and Machine Cognition, available via
http://ontology.ihmc.us/index.html [4] OMG Business Process Model and Notation (BPMN) Version 2.0, available via
http://www.omg.org/spec/BPMN/2.0/ [5] OASIS Web Services Business Process Execution Language (WS-BPEL) 2.0, available via
http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsbpel/2.0/wsbpel-v2.0.pdf ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: 2.a Identification of similar or applicable work: The proposed "TOSCA TC" will be incorporating definitions and terminologies from OASIS standards bodies as well as standards work done by non-OASIS organizations. As stated in the charter, The TC will use standard a standard from one non-OASIS organization and may choose to use the works of other OASIS TCs and standards from non-OASIS organizations, as it sees fit. Liaisons may be established, and the TC may agree to concurrent work items with other TCs and organizations, within the scope defined here. Among other things, the TC may establish liaisons with ISO JTC1 SC 38, the DMTF, and such other standards organizations, as it may choose. 2.b The date, time, and location of the first meeting: The proposed "TOSCA TC" will hold the first official meeting on December 8th, 2011 at 7:00am (PT) / 10:00am (ET) by telephone and will use a free conference call service. 2.c The projected on-going meeting schedule for the year: The TC will meet weekly or as otherwise agreed upon by the members of the technical committee. 2.d The names, electronic mail addresses, and membership affiliations of at least Minimum Membership who support this proposal: Steve Jones,
steve.g.jones@capgemini.com (Capgemini) Jani Anttila,
jani.anttila@capgemini.com (Capgemini) Paul Lipton,
paul.lipton@ca.com (CA Technologies) Efraim Moscovich,
Efraim.Moscovich@ca.com (CA Technologies) Rachid Sijelmassi,
Rachid.Sijelmassi@ca.com (CA Technologies) Chandrasekha Sundaresh,
Chandrasekha.Sundaresh@ca.com (CA Technologies) Naveen Joy,
najoy@cisco.com (Cisco Systems) Roland Wartenberg,
roland.wartenberg@citrix.com (Citrix Systems, Inc.) Shishir Pardikar,
Shishir.Pardikar@citrix.com (Citrix Systems, Inc.) Wayne Adams,
wayne.adams@emc.com (EMC) Simon Moser,
smoser@de.ibm.com (IBM) Mike Baskey,
mbaskey@us.ibm.com (IBM) Thomas Spatzier,
thomas.spatzier@de.ibm.com (IBM) Gerd Breiter,
GBREITER@de.ibm.com (IBM) Frank Leymann,
Frank.Leymann@iaas.uni-stuttgart.de (IBM) Dhiraj Pathak, PhD,
dhiraj.pathak@us.pwc.com (PwC) Mark Little (Red Hat)
mlittle@redhat.com - Primary Contact Carl Trieloff (Red Hat)
ctrielof@redhat.com - Secondary Contact John Dunning (Red Hat)
jdunning@redhat.com - Technical Contact David Lutter (Red Hat)
lutter@redhat.com - Technical Contact Sherry Yu (Red Hat)
syu@redhat.com - Technical Contact Vijay Sarathy (Red Hat)
vsarathy@redhat.com - Marketing Contact Steve Winkler,
steve.winkler@sap.com, SAP Richard Probst,
richard.probst@sap.com, SAP Michael Schuster,
michael.schuster@sap.com, SAP Allen Bannon,
allen.bannon@sap.com, SAP Kevin Poulter,
kevin.poulter@sap.com, SAP Prasad Yendluri,
Prasad.Yendluri@softwareag.com (Software AG) Derek Palma,
Dpalma@virtunomic.com, (Virtunomic) Afkham Azeez,
azeez@wso2.com (WSO2) Thilina Buddhika,
thilinab@wso2.com (WSO2) Paul Fremantle,
paul@wso2.com (WSO2) Srinath Perera,
srinath@wso2.com (WSO2) Selvaratnam Uthaiyashankar,
shankar@wso2.com (WSO2) Sanjiva Weerawarana,
sanjiva@wso2.com (WSO2) Charith Wickramarachchi,
charith@wso2.com (WSO2) 2.e Primary Representative Approval Statements: Steve Jones,
steve.g.jones@capgemini.com Global Director MDM, Capgemini As Capgemini's Primary Representative, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its goals of standardising the management and orchestration of cloud solutions, and support our proposers (listed above) as a named co-proposers. Nancy Cam-Winget,
ncamwing@cisco.com Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems, Inc As Cisco Systems Primary Representative, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its worthwhile goals, and support our proposers (listed above) as a named co-proposers. Paul Lipton,
paul.lipton@ca.com VP, Industry Standards and Open Source, CA Technologies As CA Technologies Primary Representative, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its worthwhile goals, and support our proposers (listed above) as a named co-proposers. Roland Wartenberg,
roland.wartenberg@citrix.com Director, Strategic Alliances, Citrix Systems Inc. As Citrix Primary Representative, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its worthwhile goals, and support our proposers (listed above) as a named co-proposers. Rob Philpott,
robert.philpott@emc.com Senior Technologist, RSA division of EMC As EMC's Primary Representative for OASIS, EMC is pleased with the prospect of developing the TOSCA specifications under OASIS, and approve the TOSCA TC Charter. I support our proposer as a named co-proposer. Additionally, EMC plans to bring more representatives to this project once this important new work is established within OASIS. Dave Ings,
ings@ca.ibm.com Emerging Software Standards As IBM's primary OASIS rep, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter, and endorse our proposers (listed above) as named co-proposers. Dhiraj Pathak, PhD,
dhiraj.pathak@us.pwc.com PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP Mark Little,
mlittle@redhat.com As the Red Hat's Primary Representative to OASIS, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its worthwhile goals, and support our proposers (listed below) as a named co-proposers. Sanjay Patil,
sanjay.patil@sap.com Standards Management& Strategy, SAP AG As SAP's Primary Representative for OASIS, I am excited with the prospect of developing the TOSCA specifications under OASIS, and approve the TOSCA TC Charter. I support our proposers (listed above) as the named co-proposers. Prasad Yendluri,
prasad.yendluri@softwareag.com VP& Deputy CTO As Software AG's Primary Representative to OASIS, I approve the TOSCA TC Charter and its stated goals, and support our proposers (listed above) as a named co-proposers. Derek Palma,
Dpalma@virtunomic.com CTO Virtunomic Inc As Virtunomic's Primary Representative for OASIS, I am excited with the prospect of developing the TOSCA specifications under OASIS, and approve the TOSCA TC Charter. Paul Fremantle,
paul@wso2.com As WSO2's primary representative to OASIS, fully support the proposed TOSCA TC charter, and support our proposers (listed above) as named co-proposers. 2.f Convener: Paul Lipton, CA Technologies 2.h Optional list of anticipated contributions: The TOSCA TC intends to use as a foundation and input the draft TOSCA specification [1] provided by Capgemini, CA Technologies, Cisco, Citrix, EMC, IBM, PwC, Red Hat, SAP, Software AG, Virtunomic, and WSO2, as well as any subsequent input documents accepted by the TOSCA TC. -- Patrick Durusau
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