OASIS XML Localisation Interchange File Format (XLIFF) TC

Submitter's message Added Yves' processing expectations entry, and a reference to a comment list mail. -- Bryan Schnabel Event Title : XLIFF TC Call Date : Tuesday, 17 July 2012, 11:00am - 12:00pm ET Description
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 1/ Roll call

2/ Approve Tuesday, 03 July 2012 meeting minutes:

https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00004.html

3/ XLIFF 2.0 ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking )

  1.     Features proposed/discussed on the mailing list

     a. Overloaded http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201202/msg00009.html ?    

     b. Attributes for translation candidates http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201202/msg00082.html ?    

     c. Generic mechanism for translation candidate elements and other annotations http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201203/msg00009.html   ?    

     d. Minor comments on the specifications http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00023.html

     e. BiDi draft https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201206/msg00001.html

     f. Processing requirements for extensions https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00030.html

  2. XLIFF 2.0 Technical issues ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0 )

     a. translate and xml:space http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00045.html ?    

     b. Question about joining/splitting segments http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00051.html

      c. Uppercasing conformance keywords https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201206/msg00001.html

      d. “original” attribute https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00010.html

      e. Namespace declaration https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00012.html

      f. Can a metadata element have two or more meta elements that have the same value for the 'type' attribute? https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00014.html

     g. Proposed (by Yves) extension points https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00024.html

  3. Conformance criteria

4/ Sub Committee Reports

   1. Inline text (Yves)

   2. XLIFF Promotion and Liaison SC Charter (David)

5/ Current XLIFF business

   1. Announce Face to face https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201206/msg00010.html

   2. DITA Translation  (with XLIFF) webinars by DITA Adoption TC https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00023.html

   3. Comment list entry: Mailing List for TIPP Implementers https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/201207/msg00000.html

6/ New Business

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Agenda:
1/ Roll call

2/ Approve Tuesday, 03 July 2012 meeting minutes:

https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00004.html

3/ XLIFF 2.0 ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking )

1. Features proposed/discussed on the mailing list

a. Overloaded http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201202/msg00009.html ?

b. Attributes for translation candidates http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201202/msg00082.html ?

c. Generic mechanism for translation candidate elements and other annotations http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201203/msg00009.html ?

d. Minor comments on the specifications http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00023.html

e. BiDi draft https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201206/msg00001.html

f. Processing requirements for extensions https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00030.html

2. XLIFF 2.0 Technical issues ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0 )

a. translate and xml:space http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00045.html ?

b. Question about joining/splitting segments http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00051.html

c. Uppercasing conformance keywords https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201206/msg00001.html

d. “original” attribute https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00010.html

e. Namespace declaration https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00012.html

f. Can a metadata element have two or more meta elements that have the same value for the 'type' attribute? https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00014.html

g. Proposed (by Yves) extension points https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00024.html

3. Conformance criteria

4/ Sub Committee Reports

1. Inline text (Yves)

2. XLIFF Promotion and Liaison SC Charter (David)

5/ Current XLIFF business

1. Announce Face to face https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201206/msg00010.html

2. DITA Translation (with XLIFF) webinars by DITA Adoption TC https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00023.html

3. Comment list entry: Mailing List for TIPP Implementers https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/201207/msg00000.html

6/ New Business














Group: OASIS XML Localisation Interchange File Format (XLIFF) TC
Creator: Bryan Schnabel URL: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/event.php?event_id=33322 UID: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/event.php?event_id=33322 BEGIN:VALARM ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:REMINDER TRIGGER;RELATED=START:-PT00H15M00S END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR

XLIFF TC Call - Tuesday, 17 July 2012 - Summary === 1/ Roll call Presents: Bryan, Helena, Rodolfo, Shirley, Alan, Asanka, Peter, Yves, Steven, Tom, DavidW, DavidF, Christian, Michael, Joachim, Uwe. Regrets: Victor, Jungwoo, Fredrik === 2/ Approve Tuesday, 03 July 2012 meeting minutes: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00004.html Bryan moves to approve the minutes Tom seconds No objections === 3/ XLIFF 2.0 ( http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking ) --- 1. Features proposed/discussed on the mailing list e. BiDi draft https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201206/msg00001.html Rodolfo: added file and unit: srcDir, trgDrir. Source and target: dir What about multi-lingual files? <segment srcdir='..' trgdir='..'> vs <source dir='..'> <target dir='..'> No need for 'dir' Yves: needed for inline anyway. Rodolfo: may need something to block users to change set some attributes (e.g. id values, etc.) Bryan: feature 2.8: translate state Current state (1.2) used as lock. Some have said we should have a lock attribute. There are several solutions. Rodolfo: why translate vs lock? Yves: two different things Rodolfo: trans='no' lock='yes' is contradictory. Bryan: translation-state is another related attribute So translate and lock is the issue? Rodolfo: yes --- Translation state: https://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/Feature/TranslationState Rodolfo: can't have a complete list, so we may have to have extra. Yves: what do we do then? Joachim: not user are human. May need to have a basic main list And additional one for extra info. Rodolfo: then the extra info would use extension Joachim: idea is to have a close approximation for the close list Christian: A long, long time ago I suggested the following list of values for "workflow state": not-executable, executable, started, suspended, aborted, preliminary-finished, finished Joachim: possible solution: two-level mechanism. New/mylist:new-string Rodolfo: two attributes is the way not one with a composite value. Yves: do we need translation-state in segment. Rodolfo: not on segment Yves: mean the target not the segment Rodolfo: yes useful there. Rodolfo: no proposal yet for this one. Asanka Wasala (to All - Entire Audience): I have analysed over ~3000 xliff files (constructed an XLIFF corpus ) and following are the values found for state attribute in the current xliff corpus: final, needs-review-l10n, needs-review-translation, needs-translation, new, signed-off, translated, needs-review, updated, user:translated, x-reviewed Helena Shih: I do not see value in "translate" state in segment either. Helena Shih: Personally, I do not like workflow driven info in XLIFF. Helena Shih: Feels like a "ktichen and sink" design. === 4/ Sub Committee Reports --- 1. Inline text (Yves) We validated some of the change decided during the F2F with non-attendees. Waiting from feedback from alan for one item (unique storage for inline original data) Otherwise working on implementing the changes --- 2. XLIFF Promotion and Liaison SC Charter (David) - Mandate renewal need for the SC before the end of July. - DavidF: Liaison with TC37 SC-5 (translation and interpretation) possible place for ISO publishing of XLIFF. Peter and Joachim involved. - 3rd Symposium: call for paper is out. Deadline is in 2 weeks. Only 2 proposals right now. More apparently in the pipeline (3 or 4). Bryan: Remember the F2F meeting in Seattle. Think will have a quorum. Please tell Bryan if you are planning to attend. === 5/ Current XLIFF business 1. Announce Face to face https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201206/msg00010.html See above. 2. DITA Translation (with XLIFF) webinars by DITA Adoption TC https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201207/msg00023.html Bryan: Webinar for DITA translation, some TC members will participate. Rodolfo: probably free webinars, September, November, maybe January. 2 confirmed, 3rd considered. 2nd deals with XLIFF. 3. Comment list entry: Mailing List for TIPP Implementers https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/201207/msg00000.html Bryan: Note the call for TIPP implementation. === 6/ New Business Christian: not understanding the TIPP implementation call: link is wrong. Bryan: will correct. Note: linked in minutes is corrected. Rodolfo: would like to have discussion about PE for custom extension. DavidF: Asanka had some info on values for translation-state. But corpus may not be representative. Maybe we could have industry people to provide data to asanka for gathering info. -adjourned