OASIS Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) TC

Dear TC members,

Wrt to:
> The TC was in agreement that behavior that is implementation
> defined in ODF 1.0 and 1.1 cannot be defined in an ODF 1.0/1.1 errata
> since this would be a substantial change.

So what is the solution then? Do nothing?

I personally think it should be mentioned in an errata that there is a problem with paragraph numbering and it should be explained what the problem is so that everybody is clear about what constructs to avoid.

Bottom line: For the "continue" behavior of ODF 1.0/1.1 paragraph numbering at least two interpretations exists.


~Florian


>>> Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg <Michael.Brauer@Sun.COM> 03/23/09 8:58 AM >>>
[revised minutes: Doug Mahugh did not have voting rights for this meeting]

* Rollcall
+Peter Junge, Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software Co., Ltd.
+Don Harbison, IBM
+Mingfei Jia, IBM
+Yue Ma, IBM
+Rob Weir, IBM
+Dennis E. Hamilton
+David Faure, KDE e.V.
  Doug Mahugh, Microsoft
+Eric Patterson, Microsoft
  Florian Reuter, Novell
+Michael Brauer, Sun Microsystems (presiding)
+Eike Rathke, Sun Microsystems
+Oliver Wittmann, Sun Microsystems

Svante Schubert is on a leave of absence

Voting Members are indicated with a + before their name.

* 11/17 voting members present, so quorum requirements have been met.

Florian Reuter will get voting rights after the end of
this call.
Bob Jolliffe will loose voting rights after the end of
this call.

* The agenda was approved with the following amendments:

- Discussion of Rob's proposal for conforming document types
- Discussion of Rob's proposal for defect classification

* Minutes from 2009-03-09 coordination call:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200903/msg00035.html

The attending TC members unanimously accepted the minutes.


* ODF 1.2

Michael proposed the 25th of March as a due date for proposals regarding
amendments of the conformance clauses for ODF 1.2 part 1. The TC
unanimously agreed to that due date.

* Defect Classification

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200903/msg00057.html

Rob's proposal for classifying defects was discussed.

Michael proposed to adopt the classification immediately, but to revise
it if it turn out that it does not work in practice. The TC unanimously
agreed to this.

* Conforming OpenDocument document types

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200903/msg00069.html

Rob's proposal for adding conformance classes for the individual
document types was discussed. No concerns regarding adding the
additional conformance classes was mentioned, but only feedback
regarding some details. Rob will revise the proposal based on the
feedback he received on the list and in the call.

* Discussion of public comments:

- 205: The suggested reference http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/
seems to be appropriate, but should be turned into a bibliographic
reference.
- 206: Formula issue, already resolved
- 207: (Formula) proposal
- 208: (Incompatible) name changes will not be considered for ODF 1.2 as
well as for ODF 1.0 and 1.1 erratas, but may be considered for ODF-Next.
- 209: (Formula) proposal
- 210: The TC was in agreement that behavior that is implementation
defined in ODF 1.0 and 1.1 cannot be defined in an ODF 1.0/1.1 errata
since this would be a substantial change. The TC was further in
agreement that the mentioned issue is resolved in ODF 1.2. Since this
resolution seemed not to be sufficient for all TC members, it was
discussed whether additional actions would be possible and reasonable.
It was stated that vendors in any case could document the behavior they
have implemented. The discussion was adjourned.


* Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 5:05pm CET    

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Hi Florian,

Florian Reuter wrote:
> Dear TC members,
> 
> Wrt to:
>  > The TC was in agreement that behavior that is implementation
>  > defined in ODF 1.0 and 1.1 cannot be defined in an ODF 1.0/1.1 errata
>  > since this would be a substantial change.
> 
> So what is the solution then? Do nothing?

When I recall our last TC's call correct and when I look at the minutes, 
further actions are discussed, but due to the end of our TC's call, we 
did not decide on any further action.

> 
> I personally think it should be mentioned in an errata that there is a 
> problem with paragraph numbering and it should be explained what the 
> problem is so that everybody is clear about what constructs to avoid.
> 

 From my point of view the purpose of an errata for a released ODF 
specification is not to describe problems of this ODF specification - it 
purpose is to correct this ODF specification.
Thus, I personally do not think that an errata should contain such an 
explanation.

> Bottom line: For the "continue" behavior of ODF 1.0/1.1 paragraph 
> numbering at least two interpretations exists.
> 

I assume that you mean by <"continue" behavior of ODF 1.0/1.1 paragraph 
numbering> the list continuation specified by attribute 
text:continue-numbering. Is this correct?

As already mentioned in 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200903/msg00090.html I know 
the following two interpretations of text:continue-numbering:
- A wrong one, implemented in OpenOffice.org 2.x - from my point of view 
not a valid interpretation, because this is obviously an error of 
OpenOffice.org 2.x
- The correct one, when carefully reading the ODF 1.0/1.1 specification.
Which "two interpretations" do you have in mind?


Best regards, Oliver.

> 
>  >>> Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg 
>