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Re: [ebxml-msg] FW: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure

  • 1.  Re: [ebxml-msg] FW: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure

    Posted 04-24-2002 16:06
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    Subject: Re: [ebxml-msg] FW: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure


    
    I believe that the "short delay" will be sufficient to pull the spec out of
    the current approval cycle and move it to the next quarter.
    
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    Martin W. Sachs
    IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
    P. O. B. 704
    Yorktown Hts, NY 10598
    914-784-7287;  IBM tie line 863-7287
    Notes address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
    Internet address:  mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
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                          "Anders W. Tell"                                                                                                     
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    Martin W Sachs wrote:
    
     > We don't require a CPA in messaging.  We expended a great deal of time
    and
     > effort to make sure that the MSG spec is correct while not requiring a
    CPA
    
    
    By looking at some CPPA related passages in the v2 spec it is unclear
    whether MSH is not dependend
    on CPP and that there are no spillover effects. maybe there are more
    passages that need to be
    cleaned up.
    
    V2c section 1.2.2 line 353
    
    "An ebMS-compliant MSH shall respect the in-force agreements between itself
    and any other ebMS
      compliant MSH with which it communicates. In broad terms, these
    agreements are expressed as
    Collaboration Protocol Agreements (CPA). This specification identifies the
    information that must be
    agreed. It does not specify the method or form used to create and maintain
    these agreements. It is
    assumed, in practice, the actual content of the contracts may be contained
    in
    initialization/configuration files, databases, or XML documents complying
    with the ebXML
    Collaboration Protocol Profile and Agreement Specification [ebCPP]. "
    
    .
    > Whether you want to advise users to configure their systems manually
    > instead of using a CPA is an entirely different question.
    
    
    Im sure you are aware of more ways than CPPA to configure a system and Im
    sure that more
    technologies will soon follow.
    
    
    >
    > It won't serve anyone well to pull V2 back from the OASIS approval
    process
    > at this point if that's what you have in mind.
    
    
    I agee we with you that it may not serve IBM well if V2 is pulled back for
    cleaning, but in relation
    to global ecommerce for SME's it may be of great and future benefit. The
    risk of doing business has
    increased the last week. Not all small and medium sized vendors producing
    software for SME's have an
    exact knowledge of US patent law , have team of lawyers and years of court
    experiance.
    
    Im not advocating stopping V2 but a short delay to change any sections that
    may cause future problems.
    
    
    Regards
    Anders
    
    
    > Regards,
    > Marty
    >
    >
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    >
    > Martin W. Sachs
    > IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
    > P. O. B. 704
    > Yorktown Hts, NY 10598
    > 914-784-7287;  IBM tie line 863-7287
    > Notes address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
    > Internet address:  mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
    >
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    >
    >
    >
    
    >                       David Fischer
    
    >                       <david@drummondgr        To:       ebXML Msg
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    >                                                Subject:  [ebxml-msg] FW:
    [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure
    >                       04/24/2002 09:49
    
    >                       AM
    
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    >
    > We need to seriously consider whether we require CPPA in Messaging.  If
    IBM
    > requires a license to use CPPA, that could easily transfer to Messaging
    > based
    > upon this requirement.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > David Fischer
    > Drummond Group.
    >
    >