OASIS XML Localisation Interchange File Format (XLIFF) TC

  • 1.  OSCAR committee

    Posted 03-29-2011 12:55
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    Hi Bryan, All,   I guess we are having a call today but I have yet to see the notice.   Can we discuss the OSCAR group and the LISA standards at this meeting. My understanding is the LISA would like another standards body to take over some or all of the standards the OSCAR group was working on. Can I suggest we discuss this today and maybe have a joint meeting with those who have been involved in OSCAR to look at what they would like to see happen and what our TC and OASIS can do.   Thanks,   Peter.   Peter Reynolds CEO & Translation Management Consultant  tel.   +48 22 4808 806 Mobile +48 503 154 766 fax +48 22 3305 207   Skype:  preynolds1 e-mail: p.reynolds@maart.pl TM-Global A MAart business No.3, Kopernika St. 00-367 Warsaw Poland http://www.tm-global.com   The email transmitted is intended only for use by the addressee. The information it contains is confidential and may be legally privileged. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited.      


  • 2.  RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee

    Posted 03-29-2011 13:08
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    Hi Peter,   LISA is shutting down and OSCAR work will cease as is. Before work on LISA’s standards (TMX, TBX, SRX, etc.) continues somewhere else, LISA has to release those standards to public domain. Those open standards are free to use but LISA owns copyright and trademarks.   I would like to continue working on SRX and TMX under OASIS’ umbrella, but that should happen on new TCs if ever happen.   LISA/OSCAR standards are outside our charter. However, nothing stops us from modifying the charter and adopting TMX and SRX (or clones) as complementary tools for XLIFF.   Best regards, Rodolfo -- Rodolfo M. Raya   <rmraya@maxprograms.com> Maxprograms      http://www.maxprograms.com   From: Peter Reynolds [mailto:p.reynolds@maart.pl] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:55 AM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [xliff] OSCAR committee   Hi Bryan, All,   I guess we are having a call today but I have yet to see the notice.   Can we discuss the OSCAR group and the LISA standards at this meeting. My understanding is the LISA would like another standards body to take over some or all of the standards the OSCAR group was working on. Can I suggest we discuss this today and maybe have a joint meeting with those who have been involved in OSCAR to look at what they would like to see happen and what our TC and OASIS can do.   Thanks,   Peter.   Peter Reynolds CEO & Translation Management Consultant  tel.   +48 22 4808 806 Mobile +48 503 154 766 fax +48 22 3305 207   Skype:  preynolds1 e-mail: p.reynolds@maart.pl TM-Global A MAart business No.3, Kopernika St. 00-367 Warsaw Poland http://www.tm-global.com   The email transmitted is intended only for use by the addressee. The information it contains is confidential and may be legally privileged. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited.      


  • 3.  RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee

    Posted 03-29-2011 14:51
    I don't quite understand the purpose of
    having both SRX and Unicode TR29( http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr29/ ).
    I haven't been around long enough to understand the history and politics.
    Why both?




    From:      
      "Rodolfo M. Raya"
    <rmraya@maxprograms.com>
    To:      
      "'Peter Reynolds'"
    <p.reynolds@maart.pl>, <xliff@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Date:      
      03/29/2011 09:08 AM
    Subject:    
        RE: [xliff]
    OSCAR committee




    Hi Peter,
     
    LISA is shutting down and
    OSCAR work will cease as is. Before work on LISA ??s standards (TMX, TBX,
    SRX, etc.) continues somewhere else, LISA has to release those standards
    to public domain. Those open standards are free to use but LISA owns copyright
    and trademarks.
     
    I would like to continue
    working on SRX and TMX under OASIS ?? umbrella, but that should happen on
    new TCs if ever happen.
     
    LISA/OSCAR standards are
    outside our charter. However, nothing stops us from modifying the charter
    and adopting TMX and SRX (or clones) as complementary tools for XLIFF.
     
    Best regards,
    Rodolfo
    --
    Rodolfo M. Raya  
    <rmraya@maxprograms.com>
    Maxprograms    
      http://www.maxprograms.com
     
    From: Peter Reynolds [ mailto:p.reynolds@maart.pl ]

    Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:55 AM
    To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [xliff] OSCAR committee
     
    Hi Bryan, All,
     
    I guess we are having a call today but
    I have yet to see the notice.
     
    Can we discuss the OSCAR group and the
    LISA standards at this meeting. My understanding is the LISA would like
    another standards body to take over some or all of the standards the OSCAR
    group was working on. Can I suggest we discuss this today and maybe have
    a joint meeting with those who have been involved in OSCAR to look at what
    they would like to see happen and what our TC and OASIS can do.
     
    Thanks,
     
    Peter.
     






    Peter Reynolds
    CEO & Translation Management Consultant
    tel.   +48
    22 4808 806
    Mobile +48 503 154 766
    fax +48 22 3305 207
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    No.3, Kopernika St.
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    Poland
    http://www.tm-global.com

     

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  • 4.  RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee

    Posted 03-29-2011 15:03
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    Hi Helena,   In short: SRX adds to TR29. TR29 defines breaks only based on characters, while SRX let you specify things like abbreviations, acronyms, and many other things that cannot be specified with TR29.   Cheers, -yves     From: Helena S Chapman [mailto:hchapman@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:50 AM To: Rodolfo M. Raya Cc: 'Peter Reynolds'; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee   I don't quite understand the purpose of having both SRX and Unicode TR29( http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr29/ ). I haven't been around long enough to understand the history and politics. Why both? From:         "Rodolfo M. Raya" <rmraya@maxprograms.com> To:         "'Peter Reynolds'" <p.reynolds@maart.pl>, <xliff@lists.oasis-open.org> Date:         03/29/2011 09:08 AM Subject:         RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee Hi Peter,   LISA is shutting down and OSCAR work will cease as is. Before work on LISA ??s standards (TMX, TBX, SRX, etc.) continues somewhere else, LISA has to release those standards to public domain. Those open standards are free to use but LISA owns copyright and trademarks.   I would like to continue working on SRX and TMX under OASIS ?? umbrella, but that should happen on new TCs if ever happen.   LISA/OSCAR standards are outside our charter. However, nothing stops us from modifying the charter and adopting TMX and SRX (or clones) as complementary tools for XLIFF.   Best regards, Rodolfo -- Rodolfo M. Raya   <rmraya@maxprograms.com> Maxprograms       http://www.maxprograms.com   From: Peter Reynolds [ mailto:p.reynolds@maart.pl ] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:55 AM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [xliff] OSCAR committee   Hi Bryan, All,   I guess we are having a call today but I have yet to see the notice.   Can we discuss the OSCAR group and the LISA standards at this meeting. My understanding is the LISA would like another standards body to take over some or all of the standards the OSCAR group was working on. Can I suggest we discuss this today and maybe have a joint meeting with those who have been involved in OSCAR to look at what they would like to see happen and what our TC and OASIS can do.   Thanks,   Peter.   Peter Reynolds CEO & Translation Management Consultant tel.   +48 22 4808 806 Mobile +48 503 154 766 fax +48 22 3305 207 Skype:  preynolds1 e-mail: p.reynolds@maart.pl TM-Global A MAart business No.3, Kopernika St. 00-367 Warsaw Poland http://www.tm-global.com   The email transmitted is intended only for use by the addressee. The information it contains is confidential and may be legally privileged. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited.      


  • 5.  RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee

    Posted 03-29-2011 15:43
    Sorry, I must not follow.

    According to TR 29 spec :

    Do not break after ambiguous terminators like period,
    if they are immediately followed by a number or lowercase letter, if they
    are between uppercase letters, if the first following letter (optionally
    after certain punctuation) is lowercase, or if they are followed by ??continuation ?
    punctuation such as comma, colon, or semicolon. For example, a period may
    be an abbreviation or numeric period, and thus may not mark the end of
    a sentence.
    SB6. ATerm Ã? Numeric SB7.
    Upper ATerm Ã? Upper SB8. ATerm Close*
    Sp* Ã? ( ¬(OLetter Upper Lower Sep CR LF STerm ATerm) )* Lower
    SB8a. (STerm ATerm) Close* Sp* Ã?
    (SContinue STerm ATerm)

    Does this not allow one to define tailoring
    rules for abbreviations? There is also ability to specify acronyms. Same
    for things like hyphens, apostrophes, quotation marks, and colon. Perhaps
    I am missing something very obvious here?
    Note ATerm is a terminator character
    in this case, e.g. period.




    From:      
      Yves Savourel <ysavourel@translate.com>
    To:      
      Helena S Chapman/San
    Jose/IBM@IBMUS, "'Rodolfo M. Raya'" <rmraya@maxprograms.com>
    Cc:      
      "'Peter Reynolds'"
    <p.reynolds@maart.pl>, <xliff@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Date:      
      03/29/2011 11:03 AM
    Subject:    
        RE: [xliff]
    OSCAR committee




    Hi Helena,
     
    In short: SRX adds to
    TR29.
    TR29 defines breaks only
    based on characters, while SRX let you specify things like abbreviations,
    acronyms, and many other things that cannot be specified with TR29.
     
    Cheers,
    -yves
     
     
    From: Helena S Chapman [ mailto:hchapman@us.ibm.com ]

    Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:50 AM
    To: Rodolfo M. Raya
    Cc: 'Peter Reynolds'; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee
     
    I don't quite understand the purpose of having
    both SRX and Unicode TR29( http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr29/ ).
    I haven't been around long enough to understand the history and politics.
    Why both?




    From:         "Rodolfo
    M. Raya" <rmraya@maxprograms.com>

    To:         "'Peter
    Reynolds'" <p.reynolds@maart.pl>, <xliff@lists.oasis-open.org>

    Date:         03/29/2011
    09:08 AM
    Subject:         RE:
    [xliff] OSCAR committee






    Hi Peter,
     
    LISA is shutting down and OSCAR work will cease as is. Before work on LISA ??s
    standards (TMX, TBX, SRX, etc.) continues somewhere else, LISA has to release
    those standards to public domain. Those open standards are free to use
    but LISA owns copyright and trademarks.

     
    I would like to continue working on SRX and TMX under OASIS ?? umbrella,
    but that should happen on new TCs if ever happen.

     
    LISA/OSCAR standards are outside our charter. However, nothing stops us
    from modifying the charter and adopting TMX and SRX (or clones) as complementary
    tools for XLIFF.
     
    Best regards,
    Rodolfo
    --
    Rodolfo M. Raya   <rmraya@maxprograms.com>

    Maxprograms       http://www.maxprograms.com

     
    From: Peter Reynolds [ mailto:p.reynolds@maart.pl ]

    Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:55 AM
    To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [xliff] OSCAR committee

     
    Hi Bryan, All,
     
    I guess we are having a call today but I have yet to see the notice.
     
    Can we discuss the OSCAR group and the LISA standards at this meeting.
    My understanding is the LISA would like another standards body to take
    over some or all of the standards the OSCAR group was working on. Can I
    suggest we discuss this today and maybe have a joint meeting with those
    who have been involved in OSCAR to look at what they would like to see
    happen and what our TC and OASIS can do.

     
    Thanks,
     
    Peter.
     






    Peter Reynolds
    CEO & Translation Management Consultant
    tel.   +48
    22 4808 806
    Mobile +48 503 154 766
    fax +48 22 3305 207
    Skype:  preynolds1
    e-mail: p.reynolds@maart.pl

    TM-Global
    A MAart business
    No.3, Kopernika St.
    00-367 Warsaw
    Poland
    http://www.tm-global.com



     

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  • 6.  RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee

    Posted 03-29-2011 15:49
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    Hi Helena,   The tailoring rules that you are referring to are exchanged using the SRX standard. TR29 does not say how to share segmentation rules.   Regards, Rodolfo -- Rodolfo M. Raya     <rmraya@maxprograms.com> Maxprograms           http://www.maxprograms.com   From: Helena S Chapman [mailto:hchapman@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:43 PM To: Yves Savourel Cc: 'Peter Reynolds'; 'Rodolfo M. Raya'; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee   Sorry, I must not follow. According to TR 29 spec : Do not break after ambiguous terminators like period, if they are immediately followed by a number or lowercase letter, if they are between uppercase letters, if the first following letter (optionally after certain punctuation) is lowercase, or if they are followed by ??continuation ? punctuation such as comma, colon, or semicolon. For example, a period may be an abbreviation or numeric period, and thus may not mark the end of a sentence. SB6. ATerm Ã? Numeric SB7. Upper ATerm Ã? Upper SB8. ATerm Close* Sp* Ã? ( ¬(OLetter Upper Lower Sep CR LF STerm ATerm) )* Lower SB8a. (STerm ATerm) Close* Sp* Ã? (SContinue STerm ATerm) Does this not allow one to define tailoring rules for abbreviations? There is also ability to specify acronyms. Same for things like hyphens, apostrophes, quotation marks, and colon. Perhaps I am missing something very obvious here? Note ATerm is a terminator character in this case, e.g. period. From:         Yves Savourel < ysavourel@translate.com > To:         Helena S Chapman/San Jose/IBM@IBMUS, "'Rodolfo M. Raya'" < rmraya@maxprograms.com > Cc:         "'Peter Reynolds'" < p.reynolds@maart.pl >, < xliff@lists.oasis-open.org > Date:         03/29/2011 11:03 AM Subject:         RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee Hi Helena,   In short: SRX adds to TR29. TR29 defines breaks only based on characters, while SRX let you specify things like abbreviations, acronyms, and many other things that cannot be specified with TR29.   Cheers, -yves     From: Helena S Chapman [ mailto:hchapman@us.ibm.com ] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:50 AM To: Rodolfo M. Raya Cc: 'Peter Reynolds'; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee   I don't quite understand the purpose of having both SRX and Unicode TR29( http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr29/ ). I haven't been around long enough to understand the history and politics. Why both? From:         "Rodolfo M. Raya" < rmraya@maxprograms.com > To:         "'Peter Reynolds'" < p.reynolds@maart.pl >, < xliff@lists.oasis-open.org > Date:         03/29/2011 09:08 AM Subject:         RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee   Hi Peter,   LISA is shutting down and OSCAR work will cease as is. Before work on LISA ??s standards (TMX, TBX, SRX, etc.) continues somewhere else, LISA has to release those standards to public domain. Those open standards are free to use but LISA owns copyright and trademarks.   I would like to continue working on SRX and TMX under OASIS ?? umbrella, but that should happen on new TCs if ever happen.   LISA/OSCAR standards are outside our charter. However, nothing stops us from modifying the charter and adopting TMX and SRX (or clones) as complementary tools for XLIFF.   Best regards, Rodolfo -- Rodolfo M. Raya   < rmraya@maxprograms.com > Maxprograms       http://www.maxprograms.com   From: Peter Reynolds [ mailto:p.reynolds@maart.pl ] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:55 AM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [xliff] OSCAR committee   Hi Bryan, All,   I guess we are having a call today but I have yet to see the notice.   Can we discuss the OSCAR group and the LISA standards at this meeting. My understanding is the LISA would like another standards body to take over some or all of the standards the OSCAR group was working on. Can I suggest we discuss this today and maybe have a joint meeting with those who have been involved in OSCAR to look at what they would like to see happen and what our TC and OASIS can do.   Thanks,   Peter.   Peter Reynolds CEO & Translation Management Consultant tel.   +48 22 4808 806 Mobile +48 503 154 766 fax +48 22 3305 207 Skype:  preynolds1 e-mail: p.reynolds@maart.pl TM-Global A MAart business No.3, Kopernika St. 00-367 Warsaw Poland http://www.tm-global.com   The email transmitted is intended only for use by the addressee. The information it contains is confidential and may be legally privileged. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited.      


  • 7.  RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee

    Posted 03-29-2011 15:59
    Sounds like you are saying there is a need
    to consolidate the two? It is similar to CLDR as a locale data repository
    is not interchangeable or usable in a web based service request. However,
    LDML is.




    From:      
      "Rodolfo M. Raya"
    <rmraya@maxprograms.com>
    To:      
      <xliff@lists.oasis-open.org>
    Date:      
      03/29/2011 11:50 AM
    Subject:    
        RE: [xliff]
    OSCAR committee




    Hi Helena,
     
    The tailoring rules that
    you are referring to are exchanged using the SRX standard. TR29 does not
    say how to share segmentation rules.
     
    Regards,
    Rodolfo
    --
    Rodolfo M. Raya  
    <rmraya@maxprograms.com>
    Maxprograms     
    http://www.maxprograms.com
     
    From: Helena S Chapman [ mailto:hchapman@us.ibm.com ]

    Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:43 PM
    To: Yves Savourel
    Cc: 'Peter Reynolds'; 'Rodolfo M. Raya'; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee
     
    Sorry, I must not follow.


    According to TR 29 spec :

    Do not break after ambiguous terminators like period, if they are immediately
    followed by a number or lowercase letter, if they are between uppercase
    letters, if the first following letter (optionally after certain punctuation)
    is lowercase, or if they are followed by ??continuation ? punctuation such
    as comma, colon, or semicolon. For example, a period may be an abbreviation
    or numeric period, and thus may not mark the end of a sentence.
    SB6. ATerm Ã? Numeric
    SB7. Upper ATerm
    Ã? Upper SB8.
    ATerm Close* Sp* Ã? ( ¬(OLetter Upper Lower Sep CR LF STerm
    ATerm) )* Lower SB8a.
    (STerm ATerm) Close* Sp* Ã? (SContinue STerm ATerm)
    Does this not allow one to define tailoring
    rules for abbreviations? There is also ability to specify acronyms. Same
    for things like hyphens, apostrophes, quotation marks, and colon. Perhaps
    I am missing something very obvious here?

    Note ATerm is a terminator character in this
    case, e.g. period.




    From:         Yves
    Savourel < ysavourel@translate.com >

    To:         Helena
    S Chapman/San Jose/IBM@IBMUS, "'Rodolfo M. Raya'" < rmraya@maxprograms.com >

    Cc:         "'Peter
    Reynolds'" < p.reynolds@maart.pl >,
    < xliff@lists.oasis-open.org >

    Date:         03/29/2011
    11:03 AM
    Subject:         RE:
    [xliff] OSCAR committee






    Hi Helena,
     
    In short: SRX adds to TR29.

    TR29 defines breaks only based on characters, while SRX let you specify
    things like abbreviations, acronyms, and many other things that cannot
    be specified with TR29.
     
    Cheers,
    -yves
     
     
    From: Helena S Chapman [ mailto:hchapman@us.ibm.com ]

    Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:50 AM
    To: Rodolfo M. Raya
    Cc: 'Peter Reynolds'; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee

     
    I don't quite understand the purpose of having both SRX and Unicode TR29( http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr29/ ).
    I haven't been around long enough to understand the history and politics.
    Why both?




    From:         "Rodolfo
    M. Raya" < rmraya@maxprograms.com >

    To:         "'Peter
    Reynolds'" < p.reynolds@maart.pl >,
    < xliff@lists.oasis-open.org >

    Date:         03/29/2011
    09:08 AM
    Subject:         RE:
    [xliff] OSCAR committee

     






    Hi Peter,

    LISA is shutting down and OSCAR work will cease as is. Before work on LISA ??s
    standards (TMX, TBX, SRX, etc.) continues somewhere else, LISA has to release
    those standards to public domain. Those open standards are free to use
    but LISA owns copyright and trademarks.


    I would like to continue working on SRX and TMX under OASIS ?? umbrella,
    but that should happen on new TCs if ever happen.


    LISA/OSCAR standards are outside our charter. However, nothing stops us
    from modifying the charter and adopting TMX and SRX (or clones) as complementary
    tools for XLIFF.

    Best regards,
    Rodolfo
    --
    Rodolfo M. Raya   < rmraya@maxprograms.com >

    Maxprograms       http://www.maxprograms.com


    From: Peter Reynolds [ mailto:p.reynolds@maart.pl ]

    Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:55 AM
    To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
    Subject: [xliff] OSCAR committee


    Hi Bryan, All,

    I guess we are having a call today but I have yet to see the notice.

    Can we discuss the OSCAR group and the LISA standards at this meeting.
    My understanding is the LISA would like another standards body to take
    over some or all of the standards the OSCAR group was working on. Can I
    suggest we discuss this today and maybe have a joint meeting with those
    who have been involved in OSCAR to look at what they would like to see
    happen and what our TC and OASIS can do.


    Thanks,

    Peter.
     






    Peter Reynolds
    CEO & Translation Management Consultant
    tel.   +48
    22 4808 806
    Mobile +48 503 154 766
    fax +48 22 3305 207
    Skype:  preynolds1
    e-mail: p.reynolds@maart.pl

    TM-Global
    A MAart business
    No.3, Kopernika St.
    00-367 Warsaw
    Poland
    http://www.tm-global.com




     

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  • 8.  RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee

    Posted 03-29-2011 16:15
      |   view attached
    Hi Helena,   There is no need to consolidate TR29 and SRX.   I don ´t care about TR29; I need a way to exchange segmentation rules and SRX is fine for me.   Regards, Rodolfo -- Rodolfo M. Raya     <rmraya@maxprograms.com> Maxprograms           http://www.maxprograms.com   From: Helena S Chapman [mailto:hchapman@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:59 PM To: Rodolfo M. Raya Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee   Sounds like you are saying there is a need to consolidate the two? It is similar to CLDR as a locale data repository is not interchangeable or usable in a web based service request. However, LDML is. From:         "Rodolfo M. Raya" < rmraya@maxprograms.com > To:         < xliff@lists.oasis-open.org > Date:         03/29/2011 11:50 AM Subject:         RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee Hi Helena,   The tailoring rules that you are referring to are exchanged using the SRX standard. TR29 does not say how to share segmentation rules.   Regards, Rodolfo -- Rodolfo M. Raya   < rmraya@maxprograms.com > Maxprograms      http://www.maxprograms.com   From: Helena S Chapman [ mailto:hchapman@us.ibm.com ] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:43 PM To: Yves Savourel Cc: 'Peter Reynolds'; 'Rodolfo M. Raya'; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee   Sorry, I must not follow. According to TR 29 spec : Do not break after ambiguous terminators like period, if they are immediately followed by a number or lowercase letter, if they are between uppercase letters, if the first following letter (optionally after certain punctuation) is lowercase, or if they are followed by ??continuation ? punctuation such as comma, colon, or semicolon. For example, a period may be an abbreviation or numeric period, and thus may not mark the end of a sentence. SB6. ATerm Ã? Numeric SB7. Upper ATerm Ã? Upper SB8. ATerm Close* Sp* Ã? ( ¬(OLetter Upper Lower Sep CR LF STerm ATerm) )* Lower SB8a. (STerm ATerm) Close* Sp* Ã? (SContinue STerm ATerm) Does this not allow one to define tailoring rules for abbreviations? There is also ability to specify acronyms. Same for things like hyphens, apostrophes, quotation marks, and colon. Perhaps I am missing something very obvious here? Note ATerm is a terminator character in this case, e.g. period. From:         Yves Savourel < ysavourel@translate.com > To:         Helena S Chapman/San Jose/IBM@IBMUS, "'Rodolfo M. Raya'" < rmraya@maxprograms.com > Cc:         "'Peter Reynolds'" < p.reynolds@maart.pl >, < xliff@lists.oasis-open.org > Date:         03/29/2011 11:03 AM Subject:         RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee   Hi Helena,   In short: SRX adds to TR29. TR29 defines breaks only based on characters, while SRX let you specify things like abbreviations, acronyms, and many other things that cannot be specified with TR29.   Cheers, -yves     From: Helena S Chapman [ mailto:hchapman@us.ibm.com ] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:50 AM To: Rodolfo M. Raya Cc: 'Peter Reynolds'; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee   I don't quite understand the purpose of having both SRX and Unicode TR29( http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr29/ ). I haven't been around long enough to understand the history and politics. Why both? From:         "Rodolfo M. Raya" < rmraya@maxprograms.com > To:         "'Peter Reynolds'" < p.reynolds@maart.pl >, < xliff@lists.oasis-open.org > Date:         03/29/2011 09:08 AM Subject:         RE: [xliff] OSCAR committee   Hi Peter, LISA is shutting down and OSCAR work will cease as is. Before work on LISA ??s standards (TMX, TBX, SRX, etc.) continues somewhere else, LISA has to release those standards to public domain. Those open standards are free to use but LISA owns copyright and trademarks. I would like to continue working on SRX and TMX under OASIS ?? umbrella, but that should happen on new TCs if ever happen. LISA/OSCAR standards are outside our charter. However, nothing stops us from modifying the charter and adopting TMX and SRX (or clones) as complementary tools for XLIFF. Best regards, Rodolfo -- Rodolfo M. Raya   < rmraya@maxprograms.com > Maxprograms       http://www.maxprograms.com From: Peter Reynolds [ mailto:p.reynolds@maart.pl ] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:55 AM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [xliff] OSCAR committee Hi Bryan, All, I guess we are having a call today but I have yet to see the notice. Can we discuss the OSCAR group and the LISA standards at this meeting. My understanding is the LISA would like another standards body to take over some or all of the standards the OSCAR group was working on. Can I suggest we discuss this today and maybe have a joint meeting with those who have been involved in OSCAR to look at what they would like to see happen and what our TC and OASIS can do. Thanks, Peter.   Peter Reynolds CEO & Translation Management Consultant tel.   +48 22 4808 806 Mobile +48 503 154 766 fax +48 22 3305 207 Skype:  preynolds1 e-mail: p.reynolds@maart.pl TM-Global A MAart business No.3, Kopernika St. 00-367 Warsaw Poland http://www.tm-global.com   The email transmitted is intended only for use by the addressee. The information it contains is confidential and may be legally privileged. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited.    


  • 9.  RE: OSCAR committee

    Posted 03-29-2011 14:14
    Hi Peter, Our TC meets every first and third Tuesday. So we have no meeting today. But we will meet on the 5th of April. I'm happy to put this on the agenda for that meeting. Thanks, Bryan ________________________________________ From: Peter Reynolds [p.reynolds@maart.pl] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:54 AM To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [xliff] OSCAR committee Hi Bryan, All, I guess we are having a call today but I have yet to see the notice. Can we discuss the OSCAR group and the LISA standards at this meeting. My understanding is the LISA would like another standards body to take over some or all of the standards the OSCAR group was working on. Can I suggest we discuss this today and maybe have a joint meeting with those who have been involved in OSCAR to look at what they would like to see happen and what our TC and OASIS can do. Thanks, Peter. Peter Reynolds CEO & Translation Management Consultant tel. +48 22 4808 806 Mobile +48 503 154 766 fax +48 22 3305 207 Skype: preynolds1 e-mail: p.reynolds@maart.pl< mailto:%20m.popiolek@maart.pl > TM-Global A MAart business No.3, Kopernika St. 00-367 Warsaw Poland http://www.tm-global.com < http://www.tm-global.com/ > [ cid:image001.gif@01CBEE21.3EC6D2A0 ] The email transmitted is intended only for use by the addressee. The information it contains is confidential and may be legally privileged. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited. ________________________________