OASIS XML Localisation Interchange File Format (XLIFF) TC

Hi editors, all The specification uses several times the term "lowermost". I don't think it's correct. It's another way to say "lowest" and basically means "the one at the bottom". I believe we really mean "innermost" in all the occurrences I've seen in the specification. (but people should check). We should replace the term as it may lead to misunderstanding. Cheers, -ys

Yves, I think that lowermost is exactly what we mean in the specification lowermost/and uppermost are used in mathematics and set theory to set bounds on (partially) ordered sets. An xml document is a partially ordered set of elements so lowermost of enclosing group or file (or similar) makes perfect sense. Lowermost is also in line with speaking about higher and lower levels in an  <xliff> and <file> being higher and segment and sub-segment being lower.. This said, it seems that lowermost and innermost are used as synonyms in describing xml structures. So I do not mind really if others feel compelled to use innermost. Rgds dF Dr. David Filip ======================= LRC CNGL LT-Web CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone: +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile: +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto: david.filip@ul.ie On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Yves Savourel < ysavourel@enlaso.com > wrote: Hi editors, all The specification uses several times the term "lowermost". I don't think it's correct. It's another way to say "lowest" and basically means "the one at the bottom". I believe we really mean "innermost" in all the occurrences I've seen in the specification. (but people should check). We should replace the term as it may lead to misunderstanding. Cheers, -ys --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail.  Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php

Hi David, all,   This is an XML context, not a mathematic one, and in XML context innermost is used more commonly by far.   “xml lowermost” Google=337,00 hits, Bing=6,020 hits “xml innermost” Google=2,460,000 hits, Big=2,170,000 hits.   Cheers, -yves     From: Dr. David Filip [mailto:David.Filip@ul.ie] Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 7:04 AM To: Yves Savourel Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [xliff] lowermost   Yves, I think that lowermost is exactly what we mean in the specification   lowermost/and uppermost are used in mathematics and set theory to set bounds on (partially) ordered sets. An xml document is a partially ordered set of elements so lowermost of enclosing group or file (or similar) makes perfect sense. Lowermost is also in line with speaking about higher and lower levels in an  <xliff> and <file> being higher and segment and sub-segment being lower.. This said, it seems that lowermost and innermost are used as synonyms in describing xml structures. So I do not mind really if others feel compelled to use innermost.   Rgds dF Dr. David Filip ======================= LRC CNGL LT-Web CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone: +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile: +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto: david.filip@ul.ie   On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Yves Savourel < ysavourel@enlaso.com > wrote: Hi editors, all The specification uses several times the term "lowermost". I don't think it's correct. It's another way to say "lowest" and basically means "the one at the bottom". I believe we really mean "innermost" in all the occurrences I've seen in the specification. (but people should check). We should replace the term as it may lead to misunderstanding. Cheers, -ys --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail.  Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php  

Hi Yves and David, Given my experience with XML I think I would vote for innermost, FWIW. Thanks, Bryan ________________________________ From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] on behalf of Yves Savourel [ysavourel@enlaso.com] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:54 PM To: 'Dr. David Filip' Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] lowermost Hi David, all, This is an XML context, not a mathematic one, and in XML context innermost is used more commonly by far. “xml lowermost” Google=337,00 hits, Bing=6,020 hits “xml innermost” Google=2,460,000 hits, Big=2,170,000 hits. Cheers, -yves From: Dr. David Filip [ mailto:David.Filip@ul.ie ] Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 7:04 AM To: Yves Savourel Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [xliff] lowermost Yves, I think that lowermost is exactly what we mean in the specification lowermost/and uppermost are used in mathematics and set theory to set bounds on (partially) ordered sets. An xml document is a partially ordered set of elements so lowermost of enclosing group or file (or similar) makes perfect sense. Lowermost is also in line with speaking about higher and lower levels in an <xliff> and <file> being higher and segment and sub-segment being lower.. This said, it seems that lowermost and innermost are used as synonyms in describing xml structures. So I do not mind really if others feel compelled to use innermost. Rgds dF Dr. David Filip ======================= LRC CNGL LT-Web CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone: +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile: +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto: david.filip@ul.ie< mailto:david.filip@ul.ie > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com< mailto:ysavourel@enlaso.com >> wrote: Hi editors, all The specification uses several times the term "lowermost". I don't think it's correct. It's another way to say "lowest" and basically means "the one at the bottom". I believe we really mean "innermost" in all the occurrences I've seen in the specification. (but people should check). We should replace the term as it may lead to misunderstanding. Cheers, -ys --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php

Hi Yves, David,   Innermost feels more natural for me.   Regards, Fredrik Estreen   From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Yves Savourel Sent: den 3 december 2013 04:55 To: 'Dr. David Filip' Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [xliff] lowermost   Hi David, all,   This is an XML context, not a mathematic one, and in XML context innermost is used more commonly by far.   “xml lowermost” Google=337,00 hits, Bing=6,020 hits “xml innermost” Google=2,460,000 hits, Big=2,170,000 hits.   Cheers, -yves     From: Dr. David Filip [ mailto:David.Filip@ul.ie ] Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 7:04 AM To: Yves Savourel Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [xliff] lowermost   Yves, I think that lowermost is exactly what we mean in the specification   lowermost/and uppermost are used in mathematics and set theory to set bounds on (partially) ordered sets. An xml document is a partially ordered set of elements so lowermost of enclosing group or file (or similar) makes perfect sense. Lowermost is also in line with speaking about higher and lower levels in an  <xliff> and <file> being higher and segment and sub-segment being lower.. This said, it seems that lowermost and innermost are used as synonyms in describing xml structures. So I do not mind really if others feel compelled to use innermost.   Rgds dF Dr. David Filip ======================= LRC CNGL LT-Web CSIS University of Limerick, Ireland telephone: +353-6120-2781 cellphone: +353-86-0222-158 facsimile: +353-6120-2734 http://www.cngl.ie/profile/?i=452 mailto: david.filip@ul.ie   On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Yves Savourel < ysavourel@enlaso.com > wrote: Hi editors, all The specification uses several times the term "lowermost". I don't think it's correct. It's another way to say "lowest" and basically means "the one at the bottom". I believe we really mean "innermost" in all the occurrences I've seen in the specification. (but people should check). We should replace the term as it may lead to misunderstanding. Cheers, -ys --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail.  Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php