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review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18,attributes in fo namespace

  • 1.  review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18,attributes in fo namespace

    Posted 10-27-2008 11:04
    Dear TC members,
    
    I have reviewed the attributes in the fo namespace in chapter 18 of our
    current ODF 1.2 specification draft.
    
    Here are my comments:
    - General
    -- I am not sure, if it is good to have only the reference to XSL for
    attributes in fo namespace. Below, you will find some comments to
    include some sentence about the attribute's purpose. After given such
    comments to the first reviewed attributes I omit them for the rest and
    write down this general comment. I think we should decide, if a
    reference to XSL is enough for such attributes or if some text about the
    purpose of such attributes for ODF should be added.
    
    - "18.402 fo:background-color"
    -- Replace the two "ref-element-..." text snippets by the corresponding
    reference.
    -- Reference to XSL is missing. The former reference to XSL can be found
    in the ODF 1.2 specification draft 6 in sub chapters 16.4.37 and 16.5.23
    -- 3rd paragraph: Integrate that this statement for paragraph also holds
    for page, header, footer and section.
    -- 4th paragraph: Integrate that this statement for table and cell also
    holds for row.
    -- 5th paragraph: Indicate that this statement holds for table, cell and
    row.
    -- Include paragraph which contains statement for frame regarding
    background according to ODF 1.2 specification draft 6, sub chapter 16.27.18
    -- Generated section from schema contains twice the statement about the
    elements the attribute is used with.
    
    - "18.403.1 General"
    -- content of first bullet item has to be 


  • 2.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18, attributesin fo namespace

    Posted 10-27-2008 13:04
    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    
    > I have reviewed the attributes in the fo namespace in chapter 18 of our
    > current ODF 1.2 specification draft.
    
    BTW, draft of ODF 1.2 still references XSL-FO 1.0 which has been
    superseded by XSL-FO 1.1 two years ago (see http://www.w3.org/TR/xsl/).
    Shouldn't 1.1 be referenced instead?
    
    				Jirka
    
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  • 3.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18,attributes in fo namespace

    Posted 10-27-2008 13:43
    Dear TC members,
    
    Jirka Kosek wrote:
    > Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    > 
    >> I have reviewed the attributes in the fo namespace in chapter 18 of our
    >> current ODF 1.2 specification draft.
    > 
    > BTW, draft of ODF 1.2 still references XSL-FO 1.0 which has been
    > superseded by XSL-FO 1.1 two years ago (see http://www.w3.org/TR/xsl/).
    > Shouldn't 1.1 be referenced instead?
    > 
    I do not know (as I state in my review).
    
    Best regards, Oliver.
    
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    Nagelsweg 55             Software Engineer - OpenOffice.org/StarOffice
    20097 Hamburg
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    OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS
    


  • 4.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18, attributesin fo namespace

    Posted 10-27-2008 13:48
    Jirka,
    
    Jirka Kosek wrote:
    > Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    >
    >   
    >> I have reviewed the attributes in the fo namespace in chapter 18 of our
    >> current ODF 1.2 specification draft.
    >>     
    >
    > BTW, draft of ODF 1.2 still references XSL-FO 1.0 which has been
    > superseded by XSL-FO 1.1 two years ago (see http://www.w3.org/TR/xsl/).
    > Shouldn't 1.1 be referenced instead?
    >
    >   
    It isn't an automatic decision. We need to look at what changed in 
    XSL-FO 1.1 to see if we want to change our reference.
    
    Simply because a new version of a standard has appeared does not mean 
    that older versions are suddenly not being used.
    
    Hope you are having a great day!
    
    Patrick
    
    PS: Along with Oliver, I don't know about the update either. The TC 
    needs to see what impact changing the reference would have on ODF 1.2. 
    It is something that I will be checking but you could look at it, 
    evaluate its impact and post back to the list.
    
    -- 
    Patrick Durusau
    patrick@durusau.net
    Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
    Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
    Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
    Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
    
    


  • 5.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18, attributesin fo namespace

    Posted 10-27-2008 17:07
    Patrick Durusau wrote:
    
    > It isn't an automatic decision. We need to look at what changed in
    > XSL-FO 1.1 to see if we want to change our reference.
    > 
    > Simply because a new version of a standard has appeared does not mean
    > that older versions are suddenly not being used.
    
    Indeed. But while XSL-FO 1.1 introduces few new features it also
    incorporates errata for XSL-FO 1.0 and new erratas will be published
    only for XSL-FO 1.1. It thus might be wiser to reference maintained
    specification.
    
    				Jirka
    
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  • 6.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18,attributes in fo namespace

    Posted 10-27-2008 19:22
    Hi Patrick,
    
    Jirka Kosek wrote:
    > Patrick Durusau wrote:
    >
    >   
    >> It isn't an automatic decision. We need to look at what changed in
    >> XSL-FO 1.1 to see if we want to change our reference.
    >>
    >> Simply because a new version of a standard has appeared does not mean
    >> that older versions are suddenly not being used.
    >>     
    >
    > Indeed. But while XSL-FO 1.1 introduces few new features it also
    > incorporates errata for XSL-FO 1.0 and new erratas will be published
    > only for XSL-FO 1.1. It thus might be wiser to reference maintained
    > specification.
    >   
    I went through the change list [1] of XSL-FO 1.0 to XSL-FO 1.1 in regard 
    of our latest schema [2].
    There was no attribute being changed in way that effects our "fo:" 
    schema set, but several editorial errors have been fixed.
    It even resolves an inconsistency for fo:country that we are using.
    
    I would therefore suggest to change the reference to the new XSL-FO 1.1.
    
    Still thankful for a second reviewer.
    
    Regards,
    Svante
    
    [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xsl/#change10
    [2] 
    http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/29619/OpenDocument-schemas-v1.2-draft7.zip 
    
    


  • 7.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18, attributesin fo namespace

    Posted 10-27-2008 17:02
    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    
    > -- I am not sure, if it is good to have only the reference to XSL for
    > attributes in fo namespace. Below, you will find some comments to
    > include some sentence about the attribute's purpose. After given such
    > comments to the first reviewed attributes I omit them for the rest and
    > write down this general comment. I think we should decide, if a
    > reference to XSL is enough for such attributes or if some text about the
    > purpose of such attributes for ODF should be added.
    
    I think that references to XSL are generally not enough. Reason is that
    XSL-FO properties as defined in XSL spec are operating on area tree
    formatting model. But this formatting model is not used by ODF. This
    leads to situation where one understands to attributes in FO namespace
    only by applying common sense, but formally and logically such excerpts
    of XSL spec doesn't make sense solely in ODF context.
    
    The solution would be to copy'n'paste XSL-FO properties definitions from
    XSL spec into ODF spec and modify definitions to use ODF terminology and
    model. But of course this would make ODF spec much larger and it will
    have usual cons of not referencing already existing specification. But
    IMHO ODF uses XSL-FO properties in a way which is not allowed by XSL
    spec (this is reason why those attributes use shadow namespace instead
    of real XSL-FO namespaces) and thus referencing XSL spec is at least
    questionable.
    
    Personally I would prefer ODF specification saying that attributes in
    "FO" namespace are behaving similarly to corresponding XSL-FO properties
    but then all FO attributes should be precisely defined in ODF spec text
    including any deviations from their original XSL counterparts.
    
    			Jirka
    
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  • 8.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18, attributesin fo namespace

    Posted 11-14-2008 01:49
    Oliver,
    
    Thanks for the comments!
    
    Note that only some of these answers will be reflected in the draft I am 
    posting tomorrow. I passed it to Michael before I finished reviewing 
    these comments. I expect to be dropping new versions every two weeks 
    until we have all the Sun comments incorporated and proofed.
    
    I invite everyone to review these responses but I want to call your 
    attention to some specific items:
    
    1. 18:402 fo:background-color - in particular the question about 
    disabling images for cell, row, table
    
    2. 18:408 and 18.409 - objection to deprecating these attributes?
    
    3. 18.411 the separator line question
    
    4. 18.415 - suggestions for the third editorial note?
    
    5. 18.421 - changing default value or value space? Which one?
    
    6 18.429 fo:margin-bottom - note question about whether we are 
    announcing a limitation to common styles
    
    And see the question about header/footer. I don't have any particular 
    position on this but we do need to be clear about what we intend to 
    restrict.
    
    7. 18.430.1 fo:margin-right - see the question about removing the 
    description of margins in tables.
    
    There are a number of attributes that follow with the comment that XSL 
    1.0 references were missing from ODF 1.1. I don't know if these were 
    intentional or not. Can someone comment on that?
    
    8. 18.434 fo:min-height - rule on svg:height and fo:min-height?
    
    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    > Dear TC members,
    >
    > I have reviewed the attributes in the fo namespace in chapter 18 of our
    > current ODF 1.2 specification draft.
    >
    > Here are my comments:
    > - General
    > -- I am not sure, if it is good to have only the reference to XSL for
    > attributes in fo namespace. Below, you will find some comments to
    > include some sentence about the attribute's purpose. After given such
    > comments to the first reviewed attributes I omit them for the rest and
    > write down this general comment. I think we should decide, if a
    > reference to XSL is enough for such attributes or if some text about the
    > purpose of such attributes for ODF should be added.
    >
    Sure, we could make 18:401 a section that treats fo attributes 
    generally, whether we made all the fo attributes as children of such a 
    section or not. I suspect having a section would be clearer but that 
    should be easy enough to do if we decide to go in that direction.
    
    If we create such a section, that gives us an easy place to treat issues 
    such as the non-use of inheritance as defined by XSL.
    > - "18.402 fo:background-color"
    > -- Replace the two "ref-element-..." text snippets by the corresponding
    > reference.
    Done.
    
    Actually, I need to split this out as the semantics of the attribute 
    vary depending upon the element where it occurs.
    
    For example, one paragraph, it switches off 


  • 9.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18,attributes in fo namespace

    Posted 11-17-2008 14:18
    Hi all,
    
    I have check the usage of fo:height in OpenOffice.org:
    
    Patrick Durusau wrote:
    > ...
    >> - "18.417 fo:height"
    >> -- Include statement that this attribute specifies the height of the
    >> bullet image in a certain list level definition.
    >> -- ad editor's note:
    >> --- explicitly name not supported XSL attribute values.
    >> --- I do not know, if this attribute is only used for specifying the
    >> size of a bullet image. Action item for me: check it in OpenOffice.org.
    >>
    > Well, in draft 6, 16.12.6 says that the size of the image is specified 
    > by this and fo:width. Maybe used more broadly but I am just going by the 
    > language in the text.
    
    According to ODF 1.0 and ODF 1.1 OpenOffice.org uses this attribute only 
    for the height of the bullet image.
    
    > ...
    
    Best regards, Oliver.
    
    -- 
    =======================================================================
    Sun Microsystems GmbH    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
    Nagelsweg 55             Software Engineer - OpenOffice.org/StarOffice
    20097 Hamburg
    Germany                  Fax:   (+49 40) 23 646 955
    http://www.sun.de        mailto:oliver-rainer.wittmann@sun.com
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Sitz der Gesellschaft:
    Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten
    Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028
    Geschaeftsfuehrer: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer
    Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
    
    =======================================================================
    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (od) - OpenOffice.org Writer
    OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS
    


  • 10.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18, attributesin fo namespace

    Posted 11-17-2008 14:26
    Oliver,
    
    Thanks!
    
    Hope you are having a great day!
    
    Patrick
    
    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    > Hi all,
    >
    > I have check the usage of fo:height in OpenOffice.org:
    >
    > Patrick Durusau wrote:
    >> ...
    >>> - "18.417 fo:height"
    >>> -- Include statement that this attribute specifies the height of the
    >>> bullet image in a certain list level definition.
    >>> -- ad editor's note:
    >>> --- explicitly name not supported XSL attribute values.
    >>> --- I do not know, if this attribute is only used for specifying the
    >>> size of a bullet image. Action item for me: check it in OpenOffice.org.
    >>>
    >> Well, in draft 6, 16.12.6 says that the size of the image is 
    >> specified by this and fo:width. Maybe used more broadly but I am just 
    >> going by the language in the text.
    >
    > According to ODF 1.0 and ODF 1.1 OpenOffice.org uses this attribute 
    > only for the height of the bullet image.
    >
    >> ...
    >
    > Best regards, Oliver.
    >
    
    -- 
    Patrick Durusau
    patrick@durusau.net
    Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
    Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
    Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
    Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
    
    


  • 11.  Follow-up question: was Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specificationdraft - chapter 18, attributes in fo namespace

    Posted 11-17-2008 14:43
    Oliver,
    
    When you say "bullet image" (the same phrase we used in ODF 1.0/1.1) do 
    you mean the graphic that appears as a bullet?
    
    The reason I ask is that "bullet image" implies to me that I could have 
    an "image" in the more conventional sense as a bullet and I don't think 
    that is what is meant.
    
    In other words, we are talking about the placement of a graphic dot that 
    marks an item on a list. Yes?
    
    Hope you are having a great day!
    
    Patrick
    
    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    > Hi all,
    >
    > I have check the usage of fo:height in OpenOffice.org:
    >
    > Patrick Durusau wrote:
    >> ...
    >>> - "18.417 fo:height"
    >>> -- Include statement that this attribute specifies the height of the
    >>> bullet image in a certain list level definition.
    >>> -- ad editor's note:
    >>> --- explicitly name not supported XSL attribute values.
    >>> --- I do not know, if this attribute is only used for specifying the
    >>> size of a bullet image. Action item for me: check it in OpenOffice.org.
    >>>
    >> Well, in draft 6, 16.12.6 says that the size of the image is 
    >> specified by this and fo:width. Maybe used more broadly but I am just 
    >> going by the language in the text.
    >
    > According to ODF 1.0 and ODF 1.1 OpenOffice.org uses this attribute 
    > only for the height of the bullet image.
    >
    >> ...
    >
    > Best regards, Oliver.
    >
    
    -- 
    Patrick Durusau
    patrick@durusau.net
    Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
    Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
    Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
    Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
    
    


  • 12.  Re: [office] Follow-up question: was Re: [office] review ODF 1.2specification draft - chapter 18, attributes in fo namespace

    Posted 12-01-2008 13:32
    Hi Patrick,
    
    sorry for answering soo late.
    
    Patrick Durusau wrote:
    > Oliver,
    > 
    > When you say "bullet image" (the same phrase we used in ODF 1.0/1.1) do 
    > you mean the graphic that appears as a bullet?
    
    Yes.
    
    > 
    > The reason I ask is that "bullet image" implies to me that I could have 
    > an "image" in the more conventional sense as a bullet and I don't think 
    > that is what is meant.
    
    You can specify whatever image/graphic you want as a bullet in ODF.
    
    > 
    > In other words, we are talking about the placement of a graphic dot that 
    > marks an item on a list. Yes?
    
    The fo:height and fo:width for the bullet image specify the size of the 
    area inside the specified bullet image has to be rendered.
    
    Best regards, Oliver.
    
    > 
    > Hope you are having a great day!
    > 
    > Patrick
    > 
    > Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    >> Hi all,
    >>
    >> I have check the usage of fo:height in OpenOffice.org:
    >>
    >> Patrick Durusau wrote:
    >>> ...
    >>>> - "18.417 fo:height"
    >>>> -- Include statement that this attribute specifies the height of the
    >>>> bullet image in a certain list level definition.
    >>>> -- ad editor's note:
    >>>> --- explicitly name not supported XSL attribute values.
    >>>> --- I do not know, if this attribute is only used for specifying the
    >>>> size of a bullet image. Action item for me: check it in OpenOffice.org.
    >>>>
    >>> Well, in draft 6, 16.12.6 says that the size of the image is 
    >>> specified by this and fo:width. Maybe used more broadly but I am just 
    >>> going by the language in the text.
    >>
    >> According to ODF 1.0 and ODF 1.1 OpenOffice.org uses this attribute 
    >> only for the height of the bullet image.
    >>
    >>> ...
    >>
    >> Best regards, Oliver.
    >>
    > 
    
    
    -- 
    =======================================================================
    Sun Microsystems GmbH    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
    Nagelsweg 55             Software Engineer - OpenOffice.org/StarOffice
    20097 Hamburg
    Germany                  Fax:   (+49 40) 23 646 955
    http://www.sun.de        mailto:oliver-rainer.wittmann@sun.com
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten
    Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028
    Geschaeftsfuehrer: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer
    Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
    
    =======================================================================
    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (od) - OpenOffice.org Writer
    OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS
    


  • 13.  Re: [office] Follow-up question: was Re: [office] review ODF 1.2specification draft - chapter 18, attributes in fo namespace

    Posted 12-01-2008 15:04
    Oliver,
    
    Thanks!
    
    Hope you are at the start of a great week!
    
    Patrick
    
    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    > Hi Patrick,
    >
    > sorry for answering soo late.
    >
    > Patrick Durusau wrote:
    >> Oliver,
    >>
    >> When you say "bullet image" (the same phrase we used in ODF 1.0/1.1) 
    >> do you mean the graphic that appears as a bullet?
    >
    > Yes.
    >
    >>
    >> The reason I ask is that "bullet image" implies to me that I could 
    >> have an "image" in the more conventional sense as a bullet and I 
    >> don't think that is what is meant.
    >
    > You can specify whatever image/graphic you want as a bullet in ODF.
    >
    >>
    >> In other words, we are talking about the placement of a graphic dot 
    >> that marks an item on a list. Yes?
    >
    > The fo:height and fo:width for the bullet image specify the size of 
    > the area inside the specified bullet image has to be rendered.
    >
    > Best regards, Oliver.
    >
    >>
    >> Hope you are having a great day!
    >>
    >> Patrick
    >>
    >> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    >>> Hi all,
    >>>
    >>> I have check the usage of fo:height in OpenOffice.org:
    >>>
    >>> Patrick Durusau wrote:
    >>>> ...
    >>>>> - "18.417 fo:height"
    >>>>> -- Include statement that this attribute specifies the height of the
    >>>>> bullet image in a certain list level definition.
    >>>>> -- ad editor's note:
    >>>>> --- explicitly name not supported XSL attribute values.
    >>>>> --- I do not know, if this attribute is only used for specifying the
    >>>>> size of a bullet image. Action item for me: check it in 
    >>>>> OpenOffice.org.
    >>>>>
    >>>> Well, in draft 6, 16.12.6 says that the size of the image is 
    >>>> specified by this and fo:width. Maybe used more broadly but I am 
    >>>> just going by the language in the text.
    >>>
    >>> According to ODF 1.0 and ODF 1.1 OpenOffice.org uses this attribute 
    >>> only for the height of the bullet image.
    >>>
    >>>> ...
    >>>
    >>> Best regards, Oliver.
    >>>
    >>
    >
    >
    
    -- 
    Patrick Durusau
    patrick@durusau.net
    Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
    Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
    Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
    Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
    
    


  • 14.  RE: [office] Follow-up question: was Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18, attributes in fo namespace

    Posted 12-01-2008 17:01
    Public comment item #164 appears to be relevant to the topic of bullet
    images as well. 
    
    


  • 15.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18,attributes in fo namespace

    Posted 01-19-2009 11:07
    Dear TC members,
    
    below you find Patrick's reply to my ODF 1.2 draft 7 review comments 
    from mid of November 2008.
    Unfortunately, we, the TC, did not answer/reply to any of Patrick's 
    comments/questions including myself.
    I think it is a good time now to come back to reviewing our ODF 1.2 
    specification draft in order to finish it.
    Thus, comments/questions/clarifications are welcome.
    
    You will post mine as soon as possible (hopefully before today's ODF TC 
    call).
    
    Best regards, Oliver.
    
    Patrick Durusau wrote:
    > Oliver,
    > 
    > Thanks for the comments!
    > 
    > Note that only some of these answers will be reflected in the draft I am 
    > posting tomorrow. I passed it to Michael before I finished reviewing 
    > these comments. I expect to be dropping new versions every two weeks 
    > until we have all the Sun comments incorporated and proofed.
    > 
    > I invite everyone to review these responses but I want to call your 
    > attention to some specific items:
    > 
    > 1. 18:402 fo:background-color - in particular the question about 
    > disabling images for cell, row, table
    > 
    > 2. 18:408 and 18.409 - objection to deprecating these attributes?
    > 
    > 3. 18.411 the separator line question
    > 
    > 4. 18.415 - suggestions for the third editorial note?
    > 
    > 5. 18.421 - changing default value or value space? Which one?
    > 
    > 6 18.429 fo:margin-bottom - note question about whether we are 
    > announcing a limitation to common styles
    > 
    > And see the question about header/footer. I don't have any particular 
    > position on this but we do need to be clear about what we intend to 
    > restrict.
    > 
    > 7. 18.430.1 fo:margin-right - see the question about removing the 
    > description of margins in tables.
    > 
    > There are a number of attributes that follow with the comment that XSL 
    > 1.0 references were missing from ODF 1.1. I don't know if these were 
    > intentional or not. Can someone comment on that?
    > 
    > 8. 18.434 fo:min-height - rule on svg:height and fo:min-height?
    > 
    > Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    >> Dear TC members,
    >>
    >> I have reviewed the attributes in the fo namespace in chapter 18 of our
    >> current ODF 1.2 specification draft.
    >>
    >> Here are my comments:
    >> - General
    >> -- I am not sure, if it is good to have only the reference to XSL for
    >> attributes in fo namespace. Below, you will find some comments to
    >> include some sentence about the attribute's purpose. After given such
    >> comments to the first reviewed attributes I omit them for the rest and
    >> write down this general comment. I think we should decide, if a
    >> reference to XSL is enough for such attributes or if some text about the
    >> purpose of such attributes for ODF should be added.
    >>
    > Sure, we could make 18:401 a section that treats fo attributes 
    > generally, whether we made all the fo attributes as children of such a 
    > section or not. I suspect having a section would be clearer but that 
    > should be easy enough to do if we decide to go in that direction.
    > 
    > If we create such a section, that gives us an easy place to treat issues 
    > such as the non-use of inheritance as defined by XSL.
    >> - "18.402 fo:background-color"
    >> -- Replace the two "ref-element-..." text snippets by the corresponding
    >> reference.
    > Done.
    > 
    > Actually, I need to split this out as the semantics of the attribute 
    > vary depending upon the element where it occurs.
    > 
    > For example, one paragraph, it switches off 


  • 16.  Re: [office] review ODF 1.2 specification draft - chapter 18,attributes in fo namespace

    Posted 01-19-2009 12:07
    Hi Patrick,
    
    at least you will find my reply to your comments/questions below inline.
    
    
    Best regards, Oliver.
    
    Patrick Durusau wrote:
    > Oliver,
    > 
    > Thanks for the comments!
    > 
    > Note that only some of these answers will be reflected in the draft I am 
    > posting tomorrow. I passed it to Michael before I finished reviewing 
    > these comments. I expect to be dropping new versions every two weeks 
    > until we have all the Sun comments incorporated and proofed.
    > 
    > I invite everyone to review these responses but I want to call your 
    > attention to some specific items:
    > 
    > 1. 18:402 fo:background-color - in particular the question about 
    > disabling images for cell, row, table
    > 
    > 2. 18:408 and 18.409 - objection to deprecating these attributes?
    > 
    > 3. 18.411 the separator line question
    > 
    > 4. 18.415 - suggestions for the third editorial note?
    > 
    > 5. 18.421 - changing default value or value space? Which one?
    > 
    > 6 18.429 fo:margin-bottom - note question about whether we are 
    > announcing a limitation to common styles
    > 
    > And see the question about header/footer. I don't have any particular 
    > position on this but we do need to be clear about what we intend to 
    > restrict.
    > 
    > 7. 18.430.1 fo:margin-right - see the question about removing the 
    > description of margins in tables.
    > 
    > There are a number of attributes that follow with the comment that XSL 
    > 1.0 references were missing from ODF 1.1. I don't know if these were 
    > intentional or not. Can someone comment on that?
    > 
    > 8. 18.434 fo:min-height - rule on svg:height and fo:min-height?
    > 
    > Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
    >> Dear TC members,
    >>
    >> I have reviewed the attributes in the fo namespace in chapter 18 of our
    >> current ODF 1.2 specification draft.
    >>
    >> Here are my comments:
    >> - General
    >> -- I am not sure, if it is good to have only the reference to XSL for
    >> attributes in fo namespace. Below, you will find some comments to
    >> include some sentence about the attribute's purpose. After given such
    >> comments to the first reviewed attributes I omit them for the rest and
    >> write down this general comment. I think we should decide, if a
    >> reference to XSL is enough for such attributes or if some text about the
    >> purpose of such attributes for ODF should be added.
    >>
    > Sure, we could make 18:401 a section that treats fo attributes 
    > generally, whether we made all the fo attributes as children of such a 
    > section or not. I suspect having a section would be clearer but that 
    > should be easy enough to do if we decide to go in that direction.
    > 
    > If we create such a section, that gives us an easy place to treat issues 
    > such as the non-use of inheritance as defined by XSL.
    
    I would vote for such an extra section for the fo attributes.
    
    >> - "18.402 fo:background-color"
    >> -- Replace the two "ref-element-..." text snippets by the corresponding
    >> reference.
    > Done.
    verified in ODF 1.2 draft 7-13 - Thanks.
    
    
    > Actually, I need to split this out as the semantics of the attribute 
    > vary depending upon the element where it occurs.
    > 
    > For example, one paragraph, it switches off