OASIS LegalDocumentML (LegalDocML) TC

Dear LegalDocML members, The TC have to select its TC representative before September 27th. I candidate myself to represent LegalDocML in the LegalXML-SC, however we could discuss the issue in the TC meeting at Sept. 26th, 6.30PM CEST. All the best, Monica Palmirani -- =================================== Associate professor of Legal Informatics School of Law Alma Mater Studiorum Università di Bologna C.I.R.S.F.I.D. http://www.cirsfid.unibo.it/ Palazzo Dal Monte Gaudenzi - Via Galliera, 3 I - 40121 BOLOGNA (ITALY) Tel +39 051 277217 Fax +39 051 260782 E-mail monica.palmirani@unibo.it ====================================

Good for me. FV -- > Il giorno 20 set 2018, alle ore 17:17, monica.palmirani <monica.palmirani@unibo.it> ha scritto: > > Dear LegalDocML members, > > The TC have to select its TC representative before September 27th. > > I candidate myself to represent LegalDocML in the LegalXML-SC, however we could discuss the issue in the TC meeting at Sept. 26th, 6.30PM CEST. > > All the best, > Monica Palmirani > > -- > =================================== > Associate professor of Legal Informatics > School of Law > Alma Mater Studiorum Università di Bologna > C.I.R.S.F.I.D. http://www.cirsfid.unibo.it/ > Palazzo Dal Monte Gaudenzi - Via Galliera, 3 > I - 40121 BOLOGNA (ITALY) > Tel +39 051 277217 > Fax +39 051 260782 > E-mail monica.palmirani@unibo.it > ==================================== > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php -- Fabio Vitali The sage and the fool Dept. of Informatics go to their graves Univ. of Bologna ITALY alike in this respect: phone: +39 051 2094872 both believe the sage to be a fool. e-mail: fabio@cs.unibo.it Where, then, may wisdom be found? http://vitali.web.cs.unibo.it/ Qi, "Neither Yes nor No", The codeless code

Me too, of course.   -Grant   Sent from Mail for Windows 10   From: Fabio Vitali Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 12:57 AM To: Monica Palmirani Cc: legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [legaldocml] Representative of LegalDocML in the LegalXML-SC.   Good for me.   FV   --   > Il giorno 20 set 2018, alle ore 17:17, monica.palmirani <monica.palmirani@unibo.it> ha scritto: > > Dear LegalDocML members, > > The TC have to select its TC representative before September 27th. > > I candidate myself to represent LegalDocML in the LegalXML-SC, however we could discuss the issue in the TC meeting at Sept. 26th, 6.30PM CEST. > > All the best, > Monica Palmirani > > -- > =================================== > Associate professor of Legal Informatics > School of Law > Alma Mater Studiorum Università di Bologna > C.I.R.S.F.I.D. http://www.cirsfid.unibo.it/ > Palazzo Dal Monte Gaudenzi - Via Galliera, 3 > I - 40121 BOLOGNA (ITALY) > Tel +39 051 277217 > Fax +39 051 260782 > E-mail monica.palmirani@unibo.it > ==================================== > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php     --   Fabio Vitali The sage and the fool Dept. of Informatics go to their graves Univ. of Bologna ITALY alike in this respect: phone: +39 051 2094872 both believe the sage to be a fool. e-mail: fabio@cs.unibo.it Where, then, may wisdom be found? http://vitali.web.cs.unibo.it/ Qi, "Neither Yes nor No", The codeless code     --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php    

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De : legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org <legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org> de la part de Grant Vergottini <grant.vergottini@gmail.com>
Envoyà : vendredi 21 septembre 2018 17:43
à : Fabio Vitali; Monica Palmirani
Cc : legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org
Objet : RE: [legaldocml] Representative of LegalDocML in the LegalXML-SC.
 




Me too, of course.

 

-Grant

 

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From: Fabio Vitali
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 12:57 AM
To: Monica Palmirani
Cc: legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [legaldocml] Representative of LegalDocML in the LegalXML-SC.


 

Good for me.

 

FV

 

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> Il giorno 20 set 2018, alle ore 17:17, monica.palmirani <monica.palmirani@unibo.it> ha scritto:

>

> Dear LegalDocML members,

>

> The TC have to select its TC representative before September 27th.

>

> I candidate myself to represent LegalDocML in the LegalXML-SC, however we could discuss the issue in the TC meeting at Sept. 26th, 6.30PM CEST.

>

> All the best,

> Monica Palmirani

>

> --

> ===================================

> Associate professor of Legal Informatics

> School of Law

> Alma Mater Studiorum Università di Bologna

> C.I.R.S.F.I.D. http://www.cirsfid.unibo.it/

> Palazzo Dal Monte Gaudenzi - Via Galliera, 3

> I - 40121 BOLOGNA (ITALY)

> Tel +39 051 277217

> Fax +39 051 260782

> E-mail  monica.palmirani@unibo.it

> ====================================

>

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail.  Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at:

> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php

 

 

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Dept. of Informatics                                     go to their graves

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phone:  +39 051 2094872                  both believe the sage to be a fool.

e-mail: fabio@cs.unibo.it                  Where, then, may wisdom be found?

http://vitali.web.cs.unibo.it/   Qi, "Neither Yes nor No", The codeless code

 

 

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I totally agree with all of you. -- Alvaro Sandoval P. Jefe Ingeniería y Desarrollo +56 32 226 3981 / +56 22 270 1700 w w w . b c n . c l De: legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org <legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org> en nombre de PARISSE, Véronique <V.PARISSE@aubay.lu> Enviado: martes, 25 de septiembre de 2018 11:19:52 Para: Grant Vergottini; Fabio Vitali; Monica Palmirani Cc: legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org Asunto: RE: [legaldocml] Representative of LegalDocML in the LegalXML-SC.   of course, yes

I agree too! Monica is my vote!
 


From: legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org <legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org>
On Behalf Of Sandoval, Ãlvaro
Sent: 25 September 2018 20:50
To: PARISSE, VÃronique <V.PARISSE@aubay.lu>; Grant Vergottini <grant.vergottini@gmail.com>; Fabio Vitali <fvitali@gmail.com>; Monica Palmirani <monica.palmirani@unibo.it>
Cc: legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [legaldocml] Representative of LegalDocML in the LegalXML-SC.


 

I totally agree with all of you.
 




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legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org < legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org > en nombre de PARISSE, VÃronique < V.PARISSE@aubay.lu >
Enviado: martes, 25 de septiembre de 2018 11:19:52
Para: Grant Vergottini; Fabio Vitali; Monica Palmirani
Cc: legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org
Asunto: RE: [legaldocml] Representative of LegalDocML in the LegalXML-SC.


 




of course, yes

Dear all, during this year's Developer Workshop in Ravenna, I have shown the audience the inner working of my tool to generate subschemas out of the modules of the Akoma Ntoso main schema. This presentation did not go as well as I hoped. Even though the tool worked pretty well and managed to produce the output that I promised, the facial expression of the audience, and of Grant foremost, where enough to make me ashamed of myself. Yes, I admit. Relying on a never-born schema language such as DTD++, having exactly ONE user in the world (myself) and building tools around and before the schema in DTD++ is NOT ELEGANT. Even if these tools worked perfectly (and god knows they do not), relying for the production of the final schema on a bad converter from an unknown language wrapped by a couple of stylesheets from a fake XML vocabulary is hard to justify. I am here enclosing a version of the modules fully expressed in XML Schema. The schema is extended with markup from another namespace, xmlns:m=" http://docs.oasis-open.org/legaldocml/ns/modular/1.0" ; , comprising exactly ONE element and ONE attribute: * Element <m:content> is placed where you want the list of active modules to be specified. Namely, in the comment at the beginning of the schema. * Attribute m:if is placed in any structure (element, attribute, type, group, etc.) whose inclusion in the subschema depends on the selection of a module. For instance, > <xsd:element ref="act" m:if="legislativeDocs"/> means that the definition of element "act" depends on the presence of "legislativeDocs" in the list of modules selected for inclusion in the subschema. Nothing else. I re-entered manually the full list of modules as present in the DTD++ schema into the XSD schema, and created a couple of utility XSLT stylesheets for them. The first, "transformModules.xsl", receives as a parameter a space separated list of selected modules, and generates a valid subschema by keeping all definitions associated to the core module and the modules explicitly specified in the parameter, and throwing away the rest. The second, "transformModules", creates an HTML document providing some visualization of the modules and their content, to have an easier mechanism to understand and debate about which modules we should provide, and what structures should end up in each. I am attaching all for your pleasure, hoping that you are willing to play a little bit with this, and provide me with comments and opinions and stuff. So, here I am, my head covered with ashes, asking for your benevolence. Ok, ok, Grant. You won this time. Yes, I have seen my faults, and I am amending. Please never look at me again with that expression, I could not stand it a second time. Ciao Fabio -- Fabio Vitali The sage and the fool Dept. of Informatics go to their graves Univ. of Bologna ITALY alike in this respect: phone: +39 051 2094872 both believe the sage to be a fool. e-mail: fabio@cs.unibo.it Where, then, may wisdom be found? http://vitali.web.cs.unibo.it/ Qi, "Neither Yes nor No", The codeless code Attachment: modularAKNschema3.0.zip Description: Zip archive

Dear all,   LOL, Fabio. You are forgiven for your transgression this time. Just out of curiosity. Today I noticed that the model for <ol> and <ul> are subtly different (yes, I have a very good use case that brought this into the picture I m converting pre-existing text that has these lists deep in the middle of everything). The difference is that one requires a single <li> while the other doesn t. Is there a reason for this? It s largely harmless, but surprising.   -Grant Sent from Mail for Windows 10   From: Fabio Vitali Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 4:23 PM To: Grant Vergottini Cc: Monica Palmirani ; legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org ; Luca Cervone Subject: Modular Akoma Ntoso   Dear all,   during this year's Developer Workshop in Ravenna, I have shown the audience the inner working of my tool to generate subschemas out of the modules of the Akoma Ntoso main schema. This presentation did not go as well as I hoped. Even though the tool worked pretty well and managed to produce the output that I promised, the facial _expression_ of the audience, and of Grant foremost, where enough to make me ashamed of myself.   Yes, I admit. Relying on a never-born schema language such as DTD++, having exactly ONE user in the world (myself) and building tools around and before the schema in DTD++ is NOT ELEGANT. Even if these tools worked perfectly (and god knows they do not), relying for the production of the final schema on a bad converter from an unknown language wrapped by a couple of stylesheets from a fake XML vocabulary is hard to justify.   I am here enclosing a version of the modules fully expressed in XML Schema. The schema is extended with markup from another namespace, xmlns:m="http://docs.oasis-open.org/legaldocml/ns/modular/1.0" , comprising exactly ONE element and ONE attribute:   * Element <m:content> is placed where you want the list of active modules to be specified. Namely, in the comment at the beginning of the schema.   * Attribute m:if is placed in any structure (element, attribute, type, group, etc.) whose inclusion in the subschema depends on the selection of a module. For instance,   > <xsd:element ref="act" m:if="legislativeDocs"/>     means that the definition of element "act" depends on the presence of "legislativeDocs" in the list of modules selected for inclusion in the subschema.   Nothing else. I re-entered manually the full list of modules as present in the DTD++ schema into the XSD schema, and created a couple of utility XSLT stylesheets for them.   The first, "transformModules.xsl", receives as a parameter a space separated list of selected modules, and generates a valid subschema by keeping all definitions associated to the core module and the modules explicitly specified in the parameter, and throwing away the rest.   The second, "transformModules", creates an HTML document providing some visualization of the modules and their content, to have an easier mechanism to understand and debate about which modules we should provide, and what structures should end up in each.   I am attaching all for your pleasure, hoping that you are willing to play a little bit with this, and provide me with comments and opinions and stuff.   So, here I am, my head covered with ashes, asking for your benevolence. Ok, ok, Grant. You won this time. Yes, I have seen my faults, and I am amending. Please never look at me again with that _expression_, I could not stand it a second time.   Ciao   Fabio     --   Fabio Vitali The sage and the fool Dept. of Informatics go to their graves Univ. of Bologna ITALY alike in this respect: phone: +39 051 2094872 both believe the sage to be a fool. e-mail: fabio@cs.unibo.it Where, then, may wisdom be found? http://vitali.web.cs.unibo.it/ Qi, "Neither Yes nor No", The codeless code