OASIS Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) TC

Dear TC members,

I want to propose to enhance the annotations.
In ODF 1.1 annotations are inserted at a certain position in the 
document. Thus, a certain document position is annotated by the 
annotation. You can't express, that a certain annotation annotates a 
certain part of the document.

Thus, I propose to introduce the following new element and new attributes:
- new element 

Comments inline.

On 26/07/07, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems

> Thus, I propose to introduce the following new element and new attributes:
> - new element 

On Thursday 26 July 2007 10:35:46 Dave Pawson wrote:
> -1 to the offic:annotation-end

It also feels odd and unmaintainable to me.  A "yet another Id".

I'm also not convinced the whole idea of having free lengths is all that 
practical. What happens when I insert a paragraph in between the 
annotated section? Does it also become annotated?
That could bring big problems if the annotation is something like an 
author and I just unknowingly inserted a portion from another author.
Or the other way around, what happens when I move a paragraph out of the 
annotated-part.  Does that part get the annotation again?

It should if this is a tag-begin and tag-end. Like you copy a bold piece 
of text.  But I guess most editors have no choice but to see it as a 
annotation-1 and an annotation-2 tag with everything in between ignoring 
it.

I'd much rather see a proper usability designed thing. I can imagine that 
having having a paragraph or a section annotated is much more practical; 
i.e. the already known major structures.

So, this proposal gets a -1 from me. Having the tags doesn't mean we can 
be interoperable; that takes a lot more.
-- 
Thomas Zander

On 26/07/07, Thomas Zander 

Dave Pawson wrote:
> Comments inline.
> 
> On 26/07/07, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems
> 
>> Thus, I propose to introduce the following new element and new 
>> attributes:
>> - new element 

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:

> I want to propose to enhance the annotations.
> In ODF 1.1 annotations are inserted at a certain position in the 
> document. Thus, a certain document position is annotated by the 
> annotation. You can't express, that a certain annotation annotates a 
> certain part of the document.

Have you looked at the newly-approved metadata proposal?

You could do what you want using bookmarks + metadata, though that may 
not be the best idea. In any case, I'd hope possible changes here would 
be consistent with the new metadata stuff.

Bruce

Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
> 
>> I want to propose to enhance the annotations.
>> In ODF 1.1 annotations are inserted at a certain position in the 
>> document. Thus, a certain document position is annotated by the 
>> annotation. You can't express, that a certain annotation annotates a 
>> certain part of the document.
> 
> Have you looked at the newly-approved metadata proposal?
> 
> You could do what you want using bookmarks + metadata, though that may 
> not be the best idea. In any case, I'd hope possible changes here would 
> be consistent with the new metadata stuff.
> 
I'm aware of the metadata proposal.

But, I don't want to misuse metadata to introduce a new feature for 
annotations.

Regards, Oliver.

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
> Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
>>
>>> I want to propose to enhance the annotations.
>>> In ODF 1.1 annotations are inserted at a certain position in the 
>>> document. Thus, a certain document position is annotated by the 
>>> annotation. You can't express, that a certain annotation annotates a 
>>> certain part of the document.
>>
>> Have you looked at the newly-approved metadata proposal?
>>
>> You could do what you want using bookmarks + metadata, though that may 
>> not be the best idea. In any case, I'd hope possible changes here 
>> would be consistent with the new metadata stuff.
>>
> I'm aware of the metadata proposal.
> 
> But, I don't want to misuse metadata to introduce a new feature for 
> annotations.

That's fine; just make sure metadata can work with it, since I could 
easily imagine metadata being useful for annotations.

It would require that an xml:id can be attached to the range, just as 
you can with bookmarks.

Bruce

On 26/07/07, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun
Microsystems 

Dave Pawson wrote:
> On 26/07/07, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun
> Microsystems