OASIS Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) TC

Hi all, here is now my collection of terms, including illustrations and descriptions. My focus has been on those terms, which are needed in style:horizontal-rel, style:horizontal-pos, style:rel-width and the new attribute style:rel-width-rel and the respectively attributes for vertical direction. The document is not a final solution, but I hope it is useful as start. Please give feedback on the mailing list. I might find time to incorporate your suggestions before next Monday. Kind regards Regina Attachment: Proposal_Terms_v1.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text

Regina, Thanks! To TC members: Print out and read today, then repeat as necessary. This will be a challenging discussion with the best of preparation. Let's make good use of the time Regina has devoted to this document. Comments to the list, please. Hope everyone is having a great week! Patrick On 03/12/2018 02:18 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, here is now my collection of terms, including illustrations and descriptions. My focus has been on those terms, which are needed in style:horizontal-rel, style:horizontal-pos, style:rel-width and the new attribute style:rel-width-rel and the respectively attributes for vertical direction. The document is not a final solution, but I hope it is useful as start. Please give feedback on the mailing list. I might find time to incorporate your suggestions before next Monday. Kind regards Regina --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php -- Patrick Durusau patrick@durusau.net Technical Advisory Board, OASIS (TAB) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau Attachment: signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Hi, The text Borders belong to cells, not to columns or rows. Borders are not between columns or rows but inside the cells. Border width is set by fo:border attributes and for the special case of border style double by style:border-line-width attributes, all in <style:table-cell-properties>. In case table:border-model= collapsing is set for the table, each of two adjacent cells gets half of the calculated border width. sounds to me as if separated borders are supposed to be the default. I cannot find this in ODF 1.2: 20.405 seems to indicate that there are two models, separating and collapsing, that are chosen by the value for table:border-model. There appears to be no default specified. In fact if I create a new sheet in Libreoffice-calc, the border-model appears to be set to collapsing. I see how I can change the left indent (for left justified cells) and the right indent for right-justified cells, but I do not see how the padding can be set in general. Andreas On 18-03-12 12:18 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, here is now my collection of terms, including illustrations and descriptions. My focus has been on those terms, which are needed in style:horizontal-rel, style:horizontal-pos, style:rel-width and the new attribute style:rel-width-rel and the respectively attributes for vertical direction. The document is not a final solution, but I hope it is useful as start. Please give feedback on the mailing list. I might find time to incorporate your suggestions before next Monday. Kind regards Regina --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php -- Andreas J. Guelzow, PhD FTICA Registrar & Director of Enrolment Services Professor of Mathematical & Computing Sciences Direct: +1 780 479 9290 Toll-Free: +1 866 479 5200 concordia.ab.ca

Hi Andreas, Andreas J. Guelzow schrieb am 19.03.2018 um 02:20: Hi, The text "Borders belong to cells, not to columns or rows. Borders are not between columns or rows but inside the cells. Border width is set by fo:border attributes and for the special case of border style double by style:border-line-width attributes, all in <style:table-cell-properties>. In case table:border-model="collapsing" is set for the table, each of two adjacent cells gets half of the calculated border width." sounds to me as if separated borders are supposed to be the default. I cannot find this in ODF 1.2: 20.405 seems to indicate that there are two models, separating and collapsing, that are chosen by the value for table:border-model. There appears to be no "default" specified. As style it needs no default. Of cause, for interoperability it would better to define a default. In fact if I create a new sheet in Libreoffice-calc, the border-model appears to be set to collapsing. Yes, in Calc the borders are always collapsing. In Writer the user can choose the border-model. In Writer a style:default-style element of family="table" is written with the attribute table:border-model="collapsing". This element is missing in Calc. I agree with you, that it would be better, if LibreOffice would write the default in Calc too. I see how I can change the left indent (for left justified cells) and the right indent for right-justified cells, but I do not see how the padding can be set in general. The padding is in the cell properties tab "Borders". In older versions it is named "Spacing to contents" and was disabled, if no border was set. In newer versions it is called "Padding" and always available. Kind regards Regina Andreas On 18-03-12 12:18 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, here is now my collection of terms, including illustrations and descriptions. My focus has been on those terms, which are needed in style:horizontal-rel, style:horizontal-pos, style:rel-width and the new attribute style:rel-width-rel and the respectively attributes for vertical direction. The document is not a final solution, but I hope it is useful as start. Please give feedback on the mailing list. I might find time to incorporate your suggestions before next Monday. Kind regards Regina --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php -- Andreas J. Guelzow, PhD FTICA < mailto:andreas.guelzow@concordia.ab.ca > Registrar & Director of Enrolment Services Professor of Mathematical & Computing Sciences Direct: +1 780 479 9290 Toll-Free: +1 866 479 5200 Concordia University of Edmonton < http://concordia.ab.ca/ > concordia.ab.ca < http://concordia.ab.ca/ > Concordia University of Edmonton Twitter < http://twitter.com/CUEdmonton > Concordia University of Edmonton Instagram < http://instagram.com/cuedmonton/ > Concordia University of Edmonton Facebook < http://facebook.com/CUEdmonton >

Hi Regina, It seems to me that the text Borders are not between columns or rows but inside the cells. is misleading since it is seems to imply the separating model. For the collapsing model the borders are really between cells. Andreas On 18-03-18 08:06 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Andreas, Andreas J. Guelzow schrieb am 19.03.2018 um 02:20: Hi, The text Borders belong to cells, not to columns or rows. Borders are not between columns or rows but inside the cells. Border width is set by fo:border attributes and for the special case of border style double by style:border-line-width attributes, all in <style:table-cell-properties>. In case table:border-model= collapsing is set for the table, each of two adjacent cells gets half of the calculated border width. sounds to me as if separated borders are supposed to be the default. I cannot find this in ODF 1.2: 20.405 seems to indicate that there are two models, separating and collapsing, that are chosen by the value for table:border-model. There appears to be no default specified. As style it needs no default. Of cause, for interoperability it would better to define a default. -- Andreas J. Guelzow, PhD FTICA Registrar & Director of Enrolment Services Professor of Mathematical & Computing Sciences Direct: +1 780 479 9290 Toll-Free: +1 866 479 5200 concordia.ab.ca

Hi Andreas, what is "cell" for you? For me "cell" is the intersection of a column area with a row area. And because there is nothing "between" two adjacent column areas in a table, there cannot be a border area "between" columns. Kind regards Regina Andreas J. Guelzow schrieb am 19.03.2018 um 03:38: Hi Regina, It seems to me that the text "Borders are not between columns or rows but inside the cells." is misleading since it is seems to imply the "separating" model. For the "collapsing" model the borders are really between cells. Andreas On 18-03-18 08:06 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Andreas, Andreas J. Guelzow schrieb am 19.03.2018 um 02:20: Hi, The text "Borders belong to cells, not to columns or rows. Borders are not between columns or rows but inside the cells. Border width is set by fo:border attributes and for the special case of border style double by style:border-line-width attributes, all in <style:table-cell-properties>. In case table:border-model="collapsing" is set for the table, each of two adjacent cells gets half of the calculated border width." sounds to me as if separated borders are supposed to be the default. I cannot find this in ODF 1.2: 20.405 seems to indicate that there are two models, separating and collapsing, that are chosen by the value for table:border-model. There appears to be no "default" specified. As style it needs no default. Of cause, for interoperability it would better to define a default. -- Andreas J. Guelzow, PhD FTICA < mailto:andreas.guelzow@concordia.ab.ca > Registrar & Director of Enrolment Services Professor of Mathematical & Computing Sciences Direct: +1 780 479 9290 Toll-Free: +1 866 479 5200 Concordia University of Edmonton < http://concordia.ab.ca/ > concordia.ab.ca < http://concordia.ab.ca/ > Concordia University of Edmonton Twitter < http://twitter.com/CUEdmonton > Concordia University of Edmonton Instagram < http://instagram.com/cuedmonton/ > Concordia University of Edmonton Facebook < http://facebook.com/CUEdmonton >

Hi Regina, in a spreadsheet, there is usually enough space between cells for the gridlines. Borders are commonly placed centered on the gridline extending in all adjacent cells. I would say that that means they are between cells rather than inside the cells . Andreas On 18-03-19 08:51 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Andreas, what is cell for you? For me cell is the intersection of a column area with a row area. And because there is nothing between two adjacent column areas in a table, there cannot be a border area between columns. Kind regards Regina Andreas J. Guelzow schrieb am 19.03.2018 um 03:38: Hi Regina, It seems to me that the text Borders are not between columns or rows but inside the cells. is misleading since it is seems to imply the separating model. For the collapsing model the borders are really between cells. Andreas On 18-03-18 08:06 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Andreas, Andreas J. Guelzow schrieb am 19.03.2018 um 02:20: Hi, The text Borders belong to cells, not to columns or rows. Borders are not between columns or rows but inside the cells. Border width is set by fo:border attributes and for the special case of border style double by style:border-line-width attributes, all in <style:table-cell-properties>. In case table:border-model= collapsing is set for the table, each of two adjacent cells gets half of the calculated border width. sounds to me as if separated borders are supposed to be the default. I cannot find this in ODF 1.2: 20.405 seems to indicate that there are two models, separating and collapsing, that are chosen by the value for table:border-model. There appears to be no default specified. As style it needs no default. Of cause, for interoperability it would better to define a default. -- Andreas J. Guelzow, PhD FTICA <mailto:andreas.guelzow@concordia.ab.ca> Registrar & Director of Enrolment Services Professor of Mathematical & Computing Sciences Direct: +1 780 479 9290 Toll-Free: +1 866 479 5200 Concordia University of Edmonton <http://concordia.ab.ca/> concordia.ab.ca <http://concordia.ab.ca/> Concordia University of Edmonton Twitter <http://twitter.com/CUEdmonton> Concordia University of Edmonton Instagram <http://instagram.com/cuedmonton/> Concordia University of Edmonton Facebook <http://facebook.com/CUEdmonton> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail.  Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php -- Andreas J. Guelzow, PhD FTICA Registrar & Director of Enrolment Services Professor, Mathematical & Computing Sciences Direct: +1 780 479 9290 Toll-Free: +1 866 479 5200 concordia.ab.ca