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  • 1.  Proposed agenda items for our next TM TC meeting 3-15-14

    Posted 03-17-2014 18:42
    I have the following items I'd like to propose for discussion at our next EM-TC meeting: Item 1. Approval of TEC Client Registry Exchange v 1.0 specification: last_known_address element: The current EM-TEC Client Registry Exchange spec already supports the ability for automated tools to be able to input the last known location of a client in WGS84 coordinates. To make this clearer, updated the language of the last_known_location field, as follows (changed to the original text in bold): l ast_known_location (Unicode string, optional): A free-form description of the last known location of the person , which can be expressed as geographical coordinates . To specify geographic coordinates in this field, give the latitude in decimal degrees (positive for north), then a comma, then the longitude in decimal degrees (positive for east) . If this field is present, the text field of this note (the next field listed below) should describe HOW the person's location was determined . text (Unicode string, required): Free-form text description of the person's current condition, situation and location details, where they were last seen, corrections to other information, and so on. In entry forms, a multi-line text box is appropriate for this field.  Item 2. Discussion of the following issues on the JIRA CAP 1.3/2.0 Issues List (listed under the  EDXL CAP project -- we borrowed the CAP AU project, so these have "CAP-AU" as the abbreviated title). Note that we ask all members to send written comments on this issue to the list to  emergency@lists.oasis-open.org (you can reply response to this email). These comments will be copied to JIRA, which will collect all comments prior to a final vote on an issue by the TC.    CAPAU-3 Process to approve ASN format  CAPAU-2 alert.info.instruction size restriction  CAPAU-1 alert.info.event size restriction  CAPAU-4 alert.info.headline/description change from optional to required Thanks, Tony Mancuso


  • 2.  Re: Proposed agenda items for our next TM TC meeting 3-15-14

    Posted 03-17-2014 19:08
    It appears that all members can post a comment directly to a JIRA issue. If so, I recommended that members post comments directly to the issue of interest listed at   EDXL CAP  (as an alternative to sending a comment to the emergency list.) Tony Mancuso On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Anthony Mancuso < amancuso@google.com > wrote: I have the following items I'd like to propose for discussion at our next EM-TC meeting: Item 1. Approval of TEC Client Registry Exchange v 1.0 specification: last_known_address element: The current EM-TEC Client Registry Exchange spec already supports the ability for automated tools to be able to input the last known location of a client in WGS84 coordinates. To make this clearer, updated the language of the last_known_location field, as follows (changed to the original text in bold): l ast_known_location (Unicode string, optional): A free-form description of the last known location of the person , which can be expressed as geographical coordinates . To specify geographic coordinates in this field, give the latitude in decimal degrees (positive for north), then a comma, then the longitude in decimal degrees (positive for east) . If this field is present, the text field of this note (the next field listed below) should describe HOW the person's location was determined . text (Unicode string, required): Free-form text description of the person's current condition, situation and location details, where they were last seen, corrections to other information, and so on. In entry forms, a multi-line text box is appropriate for this field.  Item 2. Discussion of the following issues on the JIRA CAP 1.3/2.0 Issues List (listed under the  EDXL CAP project -- we borrowed the CAP AU project, so these have "CAP-AU" as the abbreviated title). Note that we ask all members to send written comments on this issue to the list to  emergency@lists.oasis-open.org (you can reply response to this email). These comments will be copied to JIRA, which will collect all comments prior to a final vote on an issue by the TC.    CAPAU-3 Process to approve ASN format  CAPAU-2 alert.info.instruction size restriction  CAPAU-1 alert.info.event size restriction  CAPAU-4 alert.info.headline/description change from optional to required Thanks, Tony Mancuso


  • 3.  Re: Proposed agenda items for our next TM TC meeting 3-15-14

    Posted 03-17-2014 19:08
    It appears that all members can post a comment directly to a JIRA issue. If so, I recommended that members post comments directly to the issue of interest listed at   EDXL CAP  (as an alternative to sending a comment to the emergency list.) Tony Mancuso On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Anthony Mancuso < amancuso@google.com > wrote: I have the following items I'd like to propose for discussion at our next EM-TC meeting: Item 1. Approval of TEC Client Registry Exchange v 1.0 specification: last_known_address element: The current EM-TEC Client Registry Exchange spec already supports the ability for automated tools to be able to input the last known location of a client in WGS84 coordinates. To make this clearer, updated the language of the last_known_location field, as follows (changed to the original text in bold): l ast_known_location (Unicode string, optional): A free-form description of the last known location of the person , which can be expressed as geographical coordinates . To specify geographic coordinates in this field, give the latitude in decimal degrees (positive for north), then a comma, then the longitude in decimal degrees (positive for east) . If this field is present, the text field of this note (the next field listed below) should describe HOW the person's location was determined . text (Unicode string, required): Free-form text description of the person's current condition, situation and location details, where they were last seen, corrections to other information, and so on. In entry forms, a multi-line text box is appropriate for this field.  Item 2. Discussion of the following issues on the JIRA CAP 1.3/2.0 Issues List (listed under the  EDXL CAP project -- we borrowed the CAP AU project, so these have "CAP-AU" as the abbreviated title). Note that we ask all members to send written comments on this issue to the list to  emergency@lists.oasis-open.org (you can reply response to this email). These comments will be copied to JIRA, which will collect all comments prior to a final vote on an issue by the TC.    CAPAU-3 Process to approve ASN format  CAPAU-2 alert.info.instruction size restriction  CAPAU-1 alert.info.event size restriction  CAPAU-4 alert.info.headline/description change from optional to required Thanks, Tony Mancuso


  • 4.  Re: [emergency] Proposed agenda items for our next TM TC meeting 3-15-14

    Posted 03-17-2014 21:00
    Just a thought . . .   Since a revision to CAP is being considered, I would encourage thinking about making CAP more consistent with all of the work done in the IETF community (http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/geopriv/ ) that has now been accepted by NENA as part of the i3 architecture standards suite (NextGen 911). Specifically, what is called the Location Object (LO). The LO supports both civic (e.g. address, mile marker) and geodetic (coordinates) locations. The IETF GeoPriv community and now NENA have invested considerable time and consensus building to also develop RFCs (standards) for encoding and expressing location determination,  and so forth. The IETF LO encoding model and mechanism for coordinates is also consistent with NIEM and the EDXL/OASIS GML Simple Profile.   A simple description of i3 is here: http://psc.apcointl.org/2012/10/25/designed-from-scratch-a-laymans-description-of-the-nena-i3-end-state-architecture/   A very detailed i3 architecture and standards document is here: http://www.npstc.org/download.jsp?tableId=37&column=217&id=2171&file=08-003_v1_Detailed_Functional_and_Interface_Specification_for_the_NENA_i3_Solution.pdf   Check out how points are encoded.   Hope this is helpful!   Cheers   Carl         From: Anthony Mancuso Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:42 PM To: emergency@lists.oasis-open.org ; emergency-cap@lists.oasis-open.org ; Elysa Jones Subject: [emergency] Proposed agenda items for our next TM TC meeting 3-15-14   I have the following items I'd like to propose for discussion at our next EM-TC meeting:   Item 1. Approval of TEC Client Registry Exchange v 1.0 specification: last_known_address element:   The current EM-TEC Client Registry Exchange spec already supports the ability for automated tools to be able to input the last known location of a client in WGS84 coordinates. To make this clearer, updated the language of the last_known_location field, as follows (changed to the original text in bold):   l ast_known_location (Unicode string, optional): A free-form description of the last known location of the person , which can be expressed as geographical coordinates . To specify geographic coordinates in this field, give the latitude in decimal degrees (positive for north), then a comma, then the longitude in decimal degrees (positive for east) . If this field is present, the text field of this note (the next field listed below) should describe HOW the person's location was determined . text (Unicode string, required): Free-form text description of the person's current condition, situation and location details, where they were last seen, corrections to other information, and so on. In entry forms, a multi-line text box is appropriate for this field. Item 2. Discussion of the following issues on the JIRA CAP 1.3/2.0 Issues List (listed under the EDXL CAP project -- we borrowed the CAP AU project, so these have CAP-AU as the abbreviated title).   Note that we ask all members to send written comments on this issue to the list to emergency@lists.oasis-open.org (you can reply response to this email). These comments will be copied to JIRA, which will collect all comments prior to a final vote on an issue by the TC.    CAPAU-3 Process to approve ASN format CAPAU-2 alert.info.instruction size restriction CAPAU-1 alert.info.event size restriction CAPAU-4 alert.info.headline/description change from optional to required   Thanks,   Tony Mancuso


  • 5.  Re: Proposed agenda items for our next TM TC meeting 3-15-14

    Posted 03-18-2014 18:24
    Here is a followup to the TEC agenda item I sent out earlier for our next EM-TC meeting. Darrell made the following comment to the lasted version of the last_known_location field of the EM-TEC Client Registry Exchange specification. I include his comment below to aid in the discussion of this issue at our upcoming meeting: "A text-based representation of a lat/long coordinate pair is not a geospatial coordinate. The norm would be to force a WKT (well-known text) or better, an OGC point-based geometry, that is not human driven. It could be typed in (unlikely), grabbed from a click on a map, or geocoded from an address. The key is that is specifically a geospatial geometry, not a human-typed in text value. For more clarity, consider a user typing in coordinates. I have created dozens of systems that allowed this and every one has been massively problematic. User's can get coordinates in so many ways that without the rigour of a real geometry the data become worse than useless. Consider the following representations of a point that are all, in theory, the same point: 77.5, -145.25 -145.25, 77.5 (invert long, lat as x, y) 77d 30m N, 145m 15m W 77 30', 145 15' 77.5 00s, 145.25 00s (this is a common navigation format) I can go on with many other examples and these are all valid - once you add the unintentional errors it gets really ugly. .... Darrell" Let's discuss this and any further thoughts on this element at the meeting. Tony Mancuso On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Anthony Mancuso < amancuso@google.com > wrote: I have the following items I'd like to propose for discussion at our next EM-TC meeting: Item 1. Approval of TEC Client Registry Exchange v 1.0 specification: last_known_address element: The current EM-TEC Client Registry Exchange spec already supports the ability for automated tools to be able to input the last known location of a client in WGS84 coordinates. To make this clearer, updated the language of the last_known_location field, as follows (changed to the original text in bold): l ast_known_location (Unicode string, optional): A free-form description of the last known location of the person , which can be expressed as geographical coordinates . To specify geographic coordinates in this field, give the latitude in decimal degrees (positive for north), then a comma, then the longitude in decimal degrees (positive for east) . If this field is present, the text field of this note (the next field listed below) should describe HOW the person's location was determined . text (Unicode string, required): Free-form text description of the person's current condition, situation and location details, where they were last seen, corrections to other information, and so on. In entry forms, a multi-line text box is appropriate for this field.  Item 2. Discussion of the following issues on the JIRA CAP 1.3/2.0 Issues List (listed under the  EDXL CAP project -- we borrowed the CAP AU project, so these have "CAP-AU" as the abbreviated title). Note that we ask all members to send written comments on this issue to the list to  emergency@lists.oasis-open.org (you can reply response to this email). These comments will be copied to JIRA, which will collect all comments prior to a final vote on an issue by the TC.    CAPAU-3 Process to approve ASN format  CAPAU-2 alert.info.instruction size restriction  CAPAU-1 alert.info.event size restriction  CAPAU-4 alert.info.headline/description change from optional to required Thanks, Tony Mancuso


  • 6.  Re: Proposed agenda items for our next TM TC meeting 3-15-14

    Posted 03-18-2014 18:24
    Here is a followup to the TEC agenda item I sent out earlier for our next EM-TC meeting. Darrell made the following comment to the lasted version of the last_known_location field of the EM-TEC Client Registry Exchange specification. I include his comment below to aid in the discussion of this issue at our upcoming meeting: "A text-based representation of a lat/long coordinate pair is not a geospatial coordinate. The norm would be to force a WKT (well-known text) or better, an OGC point-based geometry, that is not human driven. It could be typed in (unlikely), grabbed from a click on a map, or geocoded from an address. The key is that is specifically a geospatial geometry, not a human-typed in text value. For more clarity, consider a user typing in coordinates. I have created dozens of systems that allowed this and every one has been massively problematic. User's can get coordinates in so many ways that without the rigour of a real geometry the data become worse than useless. Consider the following representations of a point that are all, in theory, the same point: 77.5, -145.25 -145.25, 77.5 (invert long, lat as x, y) 77d 30m N, 145m 15m W 77 30', 145 15' 77.5 00s, 145.25 00s (this is a common navigation format) I can go on with many other examples and these are all valid - once you add the unintentional errors it gets really ugly. .... Darrell" Let's discuss this and any further thoughts on this element at the meeting. Tony Mancuso On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Anthony Mancuso < amancuso@google.com > wrote: I have the following items I'd like to propose for discussion at our next EM-TC meeting: Item 1. Approval of TEC Client Registry Exchange v 1.0 specification: last_known_address element: The current EM-TEC Client Registry Exchange spec already supports the ability for automated tools to be able to input the last known location of a client in WGS84 coordinates. To make this clearer, updated the language of the last_known_location field, as follows (changed to the original text in bold): l ast_known_location (Unicode string, optional): A free-form description of the last known location of the person , which can be expressed as geographical coordinates . To specify geographic coordinates in this field, give the latitude in decimal degrees (positive for north), then a comma, then the longitude in decimal degrees (positive for east) . If this field is present, the text field of this note (the next field listed below) should describe HOW the person's location was determined . text (Unicode string, required): Free-form text description of the person's current condition, situation and location details, where they were last seen, corrections to other information, and so on. In entry forms, a multi-line text box is appropriate for this field.  Item 2. Discussion of the following issues on the JIRA CAP 1.3/2.0 Issues List (listed under the  EDXL CAP project -- we borrowed the CAP AU project, so these have "CAP-AU" as the abbreviated title). Note that we ask all members to send written comments on this issue to the list to  emergency@lists.oasis-open.org (you can reply response to this email). These comments will be copied to JIRA, which will collect all comments prior to a final vote on an issue by the TC.    CAPAU-3 Process to approve ASN format  CAPAU-2 alert.info.instruction size restriction  CAPAU-1 alert.info.event size restriction  CAPAU-4 alert.info.headline/description change from optional to required Thanks, Tony Mancuso