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Agenda: 1/ Roll call
2/ Approve Tuesday, 03 November 2009 meeting minutes:
Accept, reject, or amend.
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200911/msg00003.html
3/ Announcements
A. Error discovered in XLIFF 1.2 Specification, Appendix A (Rodolfo)
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200912/msg00003.html
B. Dimitra is conducting an XLIFF questionnaire
C. Request from a user to provide an XLIFF users list, to be hosted by OASIS
completed: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200912/msg00005.html
D. Christian posted the slides from tcworld 2009
E. Bryan/Lucia posted pictures of DITA Europe 2009 XLIFF face-to-face
F. Bryan proposed to the DITA Translation SC
that the time is now to educate the community
that XLIFF is the best practice for translating DITA
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita-translation/200912/msg00000.html
4/ XLIFF 1.2 Errata Status Update
A. Rodolfo's report
B. Christian's proposal for improved XLIFF 1.2 specification
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200912/msg00000.html
i. Benefits ?
ii. Substantive change?
5/ Review Requirements for inline elements - Goal for today's meeting: resolve 3.1.5; resolve 3.1.6
(come to consensus on the requirements, then assign owners to propose wording for the spec)
(http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/OneContentModel/Requirements?action=show&redirect=Requirements)
{
here's my *score card*:
1.1. Definitions/Terminology
"This section is under construction. " (additional examples have been added)
3.1.1. Common representation of 'inline' markup vs 'block-level' markup
1. [Resolved]
2. [Resolved]
3. [Resolved]
3.1.2. Canonical Representation of native content
[Tabled (minutes: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200909/msg00001.html) "A roll call vote was held and it was agreed that discussion of canonical representation will be kept as a working item for further discussion." Bryan: We have spent many meeting cycles and cannot seem to agree on an answer to the question (with regard to defining scope) "Should there only be one physical representation for a given native representation (wrt codes, inline-markup, 'skeleton' data, sub-flows)?" So I request the interested parties establish a point/counterpoint email thread. When all points are documented I will conduct an email ballot to arrive at a "yes/no" decision - no later than 13-OCTOBER-2009]
3.1.3. Extensibility / Annotations
[Resolved]
3.1.4. [Resolved] Content Manipulation
3.1.5. [Not yet addressed] XML Implementation
3.1.6. [Not yet addressed] General Scope
}
6/ In "4. Requirements (Step 2)," we have a series of "Should" statements.
Upon completing "3. Defining the Scope (Step 1)" we should do two things:
A. Review the existing Requirements and come to agreement that
each Requirement is valid
B. Assimilate the results of the Scope section into the Requirements section
(perhaps this step should be done offline by a volunteer, then reviewed
at a TC meeting
7/ "XLIFF 2.0 will be complete when _______"
There are two camps for filling in the blank
A. Set a calendar goal. All items that are complete and approved by the
TC make it into XLIFF 2.0 - All others need to wait for the "next train,"
i.e., XLIFF 2.X or XLIFF 3. Special care needs to be taken to define
doneness and ensure no dependency issues between items.
And "XLIFF 2.0 is complete on set date of *Month/Day/Year*"
- or -
B. Define a finite set of XLIFF 2.0 items. Set a cutoff date for adding items.
The list of accepted items becomes our requirements document.
And "XLIFF 2.0 is complete when items 1 through X are finished"
(some in this camp see our current set of goals, as is, as that
finite list)
i. Yves commented that XLIFF is not a software. And we should be careful with releasing versions that do not have some specific features we know will ultimately end up there. (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200904/msg00018.html)
8/ XLIFF 2.0
(http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking)
(http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0)
9/ Charter update (Tony)
10/ New Business
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Minutes: Present: Bryan Schnabel, Magnus Martikainen, Dimitra Anastasiou, Lucia Morado Vazques, Rodolfo Raya, Christian Lieske and Doug Domeny.
Regrets: Yves Savourel.
Doug moved to approve previous minutes, Bryan seconded and none opposed.
Rodolfo mentioned that the comment about the elements tree included in the specification is a minor mistake. Two elements have wrong indentation and that should be corrected in XLIFF 1.2 errata.
Dimitra is working on a survey regarding XLIFF adoption and will send the results with the TC.
The TC received a request to create a public mailing list for end users, so Bryan contacted Mary McRae and the mailing list has been created. He also replied to the request, announcing the creation of the list and providing subscription instructions. Rodolfo will add a note to the TC's home page stating that the purpose of the new list is “for exchanging comments between members of the XLIFF user community about tools and support for technical features.”
Christian posted the slides he used at TEKOM and Bryan & Lucia posted pictures from the XLIFF face to face meeting during DITA Europe.
Bryan sent a message to the DITA Translation subcommittee suggesting that this is a good time to promote the use of XLIFF for translating DITA projects and inviting that SC to work together. Rodolfo informed that the DITA Adoption committee will carry on with the tasks started by the Translation subcommittee.
Dimitra mentioned that LRC is willing to help the TC host a special conference for XLIFF adopters. Bryan invited everyone to think on the logistics and task that would be required for preparing a special XLIFF forum at LRC or another location.
Rodolfo informed that he will need help with the errata for XLIFF 1.2. He will contact Mary and ask for an SVN account for the TC, so he can upload his files and share them with the rest of the TC.
Christian proposed important improvements to the XLIFF schemas and Doug implemented them. Doug sent the updated schemas to the TC list and all members should review them and provide feedback on next meeting.
Meeting adjourned
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Attendance:
Meeting Statistics |
Quorum rule |
51% of voting members |
Achieved quorum |
true |
Counts toward voter eligibility |
true |
Individual Attendance |
Members: 7 of 39 (17%) Voting Members: 7 of 12 (58%) (used for quorum calculation) |
Company Attendance |
Companies: 6 of 25 (24%) Voting Companies: 6 of 11 (54%) |