XLIFF TC Conference Call

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https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/members/action_item.php?action_item_id=3663

I Administration (0:00 - 0:10)

  A. Roll call
  B. Approve previous meeting minutes, 17 December 2013 https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201312/msg00161.html
  C. Ballot: should we add a 17 Jan TC meeting? https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201401/msg00026.html
  D. Conformance (Yves) https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201401/msg00002.html
  E. Lynx in the clouds (Yves) https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201401/msg00006.html

II XLIFF 2.0 (0:10 - 0:45)

  A. Public Review II ended October 5

     1. Public Review Comments are tracked here https://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF%202.0%20Public%20Review%20submitted%20comments%20tracker

     2. Updated XLIFF 2.0 OASIS Standard timeline - factoring in PR III - 09 June projected date https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/ballot.php?id=2558

  B. SOU Tracker https://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF%202.0%20SOU%20Tracker

  C. XLIFF 2.0 Items

Recent mailing list issues:

     1. Fragment identification (conclusions plus Yves' Lynx examples) (Yves)
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201312/msg00162.html
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201401/msg00008.html

     2. 130 candidate annotation in Dec-17 Draft (Yves)
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201312/msg00164.html

     3. PR on unit order (Yves)
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201312/msg00172.html

     4. PR for white spaces (Yves)

     5. Proposed solution for csprd02 (Bryan)
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201401/msg00005.html

     2. Comments on Fragment Identification (Yves)
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201312/msg00000.html

     3. Re-ordering of inline codes (Yves and DavidF)
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201311/msg00154.html

     4. URI in XLIFF2 (Yves)
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201311/msg00131.html

     5. Segmentation Modifications (Yves)
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201311/msg00137.html
latest comment from Yves "I've put a "TBD" flag in the bi-directionality mapping paragraph since this is under discussion."

     6. Modules attributes in ec vs em
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201312/msg00040.html

     7. Namespace in Validation Module (is this fixed?)
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201312/msg00089.html

III XLIFF 2.X? 3.0? (0:45 - 0:50)

    1. Freeze on Feature Tracking wiki? Or queue proposed post 2.0 features there?

    2. Do we have an official path for promoting custom namespace to supported core/module post XLIFF 2.0?

IV  Charter (Bryan to update site)

V   Sub Committee Report (0:50 - 0:55)

VI  Current and New Business (0:55 - )

Attendance:

Fredrik: I second.
Bryan: meeting minutes approved.
Bryan: loads of work to do ahead of us.
Bryan: could we have more volunteers for minute takers?
David: I will ask in the mailing list to have volunteers.
Bryan:   C. Ballot: should we add a 14 Jan TC meeting? https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201401/msg00026.html. In order to have the timeline under control and have the standard by the first half of the year ready, we can have a third meeting this month.
David: The XLIFF Symposium will take place during the first week of June in Dublin (3-5 June). It would be good to have the standard ready for that date.
Bryan: it would be good to have it for Locworld, so we can talk to some of the voters there. Please do vote to that ballot (third meeting in January).
Bryan:  It would be nice if more members can check the files (Conformance (Yves) https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201401/msg00002.html). Also if you can test the tool he developed to validate XLIFF 2.0 files and processing requirements: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201401/msg00006.html

Bryan: The SOUs are not very urgent, but it needs to be started to fill in.
David: The tracker looks good, but it does not contain the fragmentation identification issue.  I will add it during this week.
Bryan: there are only a few topics still open there.
David: in the resegmentation of the segmentation section, we can address that topic today. It does not address agents.

Fragment identification
Yves: the main addition is how to deal with the extension and the modules, all the other work was summarized by the work done by Fredrik and David in previous emails.
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201312/msg00162.html
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201401/msg00008.html
The main difference is how to define the the scopes on the modules and the extensions. The solution is to have different prefixes so tools can address modules and extensions data.
David: I do not like the idea of having so many scopes and prefixes in the core but there was no one interested in the proposal with the limited number of scopes, so in the interest of moving on and do not want to block this proposal as it obviously can work. Some clarifications though: Is there only one scope of group identification?
Yves: [yes, points to  the section “selector for core elements” from the document fragid.docx] .

David: it seems crazy that note elements now have a potentially unlimited number of scopes.

Fredrik: The application adding a note needs to create an unique id, but in order to do that it needs to know about the other existing ids.

David: We all agree that modules need prefixes, but Yves suggests not to have them on modules that currently do not have ids. There are modules that do not have ids, but they can stil be uniquelly identified by their prefix at the extension point, you can refer to change tracking for example by just using the prefix, as the wrapper element is only allowed once at the each extension point.

David: Also I was wondering if we kept segment ids uniqueness scope together with inlines and markers and there is no prefix except for target.
[Yves shows: “No prefix indicates an id for a
 

D: I think it would not be a good XML practice and the reason is not strong enough.

B: the item 127 was noted by Yves as having an issue with xml namespace attributes https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/201310/msg00013.html
And David added a possible solution and nobody objected so far.
[David explains his solution proposal].
B: I do not object to your proposal.
Y: If you go to inline that can go more tricky. I think we should talk about this a little bit more.
D: it might not be needed at the lowest levels, but yes, we need more work on that.
B: Ok, this needs to be continued  as a discussion on the mailing list.

B: David, any news from the sc meeting?
D: symposium and feisgillt, and FTF meeting will take place in Dublin  in June. On Monday there will be a public holiday, so it will not be possible to have the FTF meeting on that day. I am looking into having the FTF after Symposium, on Thursday.
B: New business?
B: Meeting adjourned. We will have an extra meeting this month.